puma81

hi, i was just wondering if anyone has or knows of a 2.0 duratec being used in a puma, whether it be from on mk3 mondeo of fiesta st150. i think its the route im going to take just wondered about the major difficulties. any advice / tips would be greatly aprreciated, thanks for reading, best regards neal.

Churtz

Ive seen a thread that had someone putting a ITB'd duratec into a mk4/5 fiesta which is the same as a puma in terms of fitting an engine. Biggest issue would be the engine mount on the OS. use a puma box...i think the ib5 bellhousing will mate up?? and that means you can use the orignal gbox mount and rear mount.

dojj

iTrader: (3)

this is something i'm intrested in as well

if the mrs wants to buy a new car soon i may retire the mondeo and bolt stuff to the fiesta

worth a go if someones got a sure fire way for making stuff fit

mobb-black

The duratec bell housing is a Mazda bolt pattern and doesn't fit the IB5. You'd need the Duratec engine and box and three custom mounts. You'd also need custom drive shafts and gear linkage.

Michael Svensson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MZR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_L_engine
Hi, excuse my bad english..... I´m from Sweden .. so =)
Ford duratec is a Mazda mzr engine license produced by Ford renamed to Duratec.
Volvo also uses 1.8 ethanol engine who is a Duratec
Mazda 3, Mazda 6 and Mazda MX-5 Miata have 6-speed gearboxes who would bolt right on?
Rwd, fwd and even 4wd gearboxes is in theese cars.
On our scrap yards over here we got for an example:
http://www.bildelsbasen.se/?link=item&post_id=17980173
http://www.bildelsbasen.se/?link=item&post_id=21730369
They cost about 22 500kr = 2 188£Expensive?
Micke.

Black Foci

Im doing this conversion now. You can use the passenger side engine mount from the puma box, but need a custom rear gearbox mount and drivers side mount. You can use the IB5+ found in a fiesta ST, its the same box as the puma, same internals, but has a mazda bell housing, and different rear mounting point. Also, you need to get either a focus mk 1 or fiesta st gear stick and cables, as rod shift is not compatable with the ST box. If you use the fiesta engine, you will need a mondeo throttle body as the fiesta one is controlled by the ECU, the mondeo throttle body works off the puma throttle cable. If you use the mondeo engine, the dual mass flywheel needs to be changed to an early mk 2 focus flywheel, or a fiesta flywheel, and an st150 starter motor, as the flywheel is 5mm smaller! Also, all duratecs (the mazda engine), have a returnless fuel system, so you will need to plumb in a return line if you want to keep the puma set up! Thats all i can think of off the top of my head! You can keep standard shafts as you will mount the gearbox in the same place.

For reference, the gearbox mount needs to be 60mm closer to drivers side, thats a centre line distance. Where the torque link open end is, your mounting point needs to be 20mm higher, and 20mm closer towards the engine then the centre of the open end.

Joshy

any pictures of the conversion "foci"?

Black Foci

Here are a few pics of my conversion, its not finished yet, but the engine is in and mounted.

Black Foci

Sorry about the big pics, ive never posted on here before!

Another issue ive come across is the alternator, none of the alternators that fit this engine will work.

Mondeo alternator is controlled by the ecu, it needs a certain signal to tell it to charge, and the ecu controls the dash warning light, so not compatible with the Puma/Fiesta!
The Mazda 6 alternator is a straight bolt on, but is externally regulated, so will work if you want to wire an external regulator!
The 2.0 MX5 alternator also fits the engine, but is also controlled by the ecu, just like th emondeo alternator
The ST150 alternator is the same pinouts as the mondeo alternator, and is controlled by the ECU, so you can either make a frankenator, using parts of a few alternators, or you can make an adaptor bracket to fit your existing alternator. Ive opted for the adaptor bracket because if the alternator goes, i can just swap it out rather then having to make a new one.

Ive used the ST150 mount, and adapted it, it seemed the easiest choice, but you can use a mondeo mk3 mount, mazda 6 1.8 or 2.0 mount, focus mk 2, ST150, or custom made mount. I welded the bracket on to the subframe for the rear engine torque link, as it is on the mk6 fiesta and later. That allowed me to use standard mk6 fiesta rear mount, so i can swap it for an uprated mount at a later date.

Michael Svensson

Hi "foci"
What about the alternator from Burtonpower?
http://www.burtonpower.com/parts-by-...duct_group=389

Any thoughts about to use 6-speed gearbox from mazda3 ?

From Sweden scrapyard, think you have them aswell:
http://www.bildelsbasen.se/?link=item&post_id=22067097
got the CSE code/label on them so they should be bolton?

Ford mondeo engine 2.0 CSE engine who have a 6-speed gearbox orginal mounted
http://www.bildelsbasen.se/?link=item&post_id=20370377

This gearbox is from Mazda3 2.3L mps Turbo engine (i think the bolt pattern should also be duratec) 256 HP (190,9 KW) orginal engine torque is 380 N.m (280,4 ib.ft) and it should be perfect for a high tuned cosworth 2.3L ITB duratec engine
http://www.bildelsbasen.se/?index=de...st_id=22444431
and put a TWM Performance Short Shift Kits on that :
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...llassembly.htm
Features:
- 31% throw reduction
- 45% throw reduction combined to transmission adapter
- 1.75" height reduction
- 21% side to side throw reduction
- 100% increased rigidity
- Solid base bushings included
- Ball bearing design for smooth operation
- Available in combo with a weighted shift knob

Also put a shift extender on it to get the shifter closer to the steering wheel
http://www.twmperformance.com/shifte...hift-extender/

Then you go formula racing on all the track days in style

Even if you have the problem whith custom made mounts and shafts etc. it would be awsome when it is over and done.
/Micke

Black Foci

The alternator from burton power would be fine, its just expensive! You can pick up a new fiesta/puma alternator for around £60, and a 2nd hand item for around £25. If you are desperate, you can pick up a fiesta alternator off thehelf at loads of parts stores. Thats the only reason i used it, but the burton power item is a lot less work!

I dont know a lot about the mazda gearboxes, but i think they need different mounts again, so you would need to make 3 mounts, rather then 2. The MPS box has an LSD as standard, so would be a good box to use, but the diff wont fit the focus/mondeo duratec boxes, so maybe the driveshafts are a different size?? Also a different linkage, that is a lot harded to get hold of. Mondeo, focus, and fiesta gear linkages are common and cheap.

For a mk4, mk5, or puma conversion, i think the ST150 box is the easiest option as you can retain the top mount, and original driveshafts, but depending on what power/torque you want to run, and the weight of your car, and how much time and skill you had, youd have to make the decision on what box was best! The ST150 box is also lighter.

The MPS box pattern is the same as the duratec, the block is the same, other then an oil return, and the head is very similar, but the injectors are under the inlet manifold rather then above like the duratec. Its DISI, cant remember exactly what that stands for, but its something to do with direct injection into the cylinder rather then above the valves. So inlet, or injectors from the MPS wont fit the duratec.