Pro's and con's of Bluefin vs Dream science chip/re-maps

[knighty444]

As above for a mk1 Focus RS My RS is runnig full miltek system (turbo back), Bluefin and K&N what sort of power should it b running?

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[WaynoFRS]

Getting the best from your mods, will depend which base map is on the car really. The early cars were loaded with the AE map (Aggressive power, No Cough) and the later ones the AF map (Car coughs at 4500 rpm which is an extreme lean spot in the map). With those mods, and with AE, I'd expect the car to be running around 265-270 brake.

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

Getting the best from your mods, will depend which base map is on the car really. The early cars were loaded with the AE map (Aggressive power, No Cough) and the later ones the AF map (Car coughs at 4500 rpm which is an extreme lean spot in the map). With those mods, and with AE, I'd expect the car to be running around 265-270 brake.

Oh right thats quite a good power figure then....it does feel v quick. I c ur in hoddeston which is just down the road from me (stevenage) but i work in harlow, what modds etc have you done to yours?

[WaynoFRS]

I've got quite a few mate:

Engine Wise

SCC GT28 Turbo
Blitz Boost Controller
FMS Manifold
Bluefin
Full Miltek
GT28 De-Cat
Magnecor KV85 Leads
Forge DV007
K&N GenII Induction Kit
Roose 4 Hose Boost Kit

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

I've got quite a few mate:

Engine Wise

SCC GT28 Turbo
Blitz Boost Controller
FMS Manifold
Bluefin
Full Miltek
GT28 De-Cat
Magnecor KV85 Leads
Forge DV007
K&N GenII Induction Kit
Roose 4 Hose Boost Kit

What sort of power does it produce, i was going 2 get a tubular manifold as my next mod does it make a noticeable difference torque wise..? i come from the scooby scene had a type R and have been considdering a switch back as i miss the raw power....

[WaynoFRS]

Power wise, once my controller is fitted (Car is SORN'd ATM) i should be knocking on the door of 335 brake at 22psi I reckon.
If your gonna get a Manifold, then either go for Primary Designs, GGR or JEK.
Blueflame are naff and so are Nortech.

A Manifold is brilliant for torque increase. Really feel the difference.

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

Power wise, once my controller is fitted (Car is SORN'd ATM) i should be knocking on the door of 335 brake at 22psi I reckon.
If your gonna get a Manifold, then either go for Primary Designs, GGR or JEK.
Blueflame are naff and so are Nortech.

A Manifold is brilliant for torque increase. Really feel the difference.

oh right cool, what about the milteck manifold?
i know rob @ scc and ask him 2 set me up on a lil trip in a sorted RS jsut to covince me keepin it is the way too go lol

[WaynoFRS]

The FRS is an awesome car to drive.
The Miltek Manifold was never endorsed by Miltek themselves mate. They never fabricated one to sell, and is sold by Pumaspeed as a Miltek.
It has had constant cracking issues, which lead to expensive welding to repair. I'd steer clear of those matey.

Rob has loads of customers with sorted FRS's (like me) and could happily get you out in one if you need convincing.
Not mine though coz its off the road til March lol.

[knighty444]

cool dude thanks for the info n advice, nice chattin 2 ya =), i shall b tappin rob up again soon lol

[knighty444]

Where is the best place 2 pick a manifold up from fella?

[WaynoFRS]

Depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are really. How much have you got to spend?

[das]

im running AE AND T### and it true class

[WaynoFRS]

That is a popular combo from up North. I know the lads where you got it from.

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

Depends on what you want and how deep your pockets are really. How much have you got to spend?

Well not got pockets full of money lol, but i wanna put a manifold on it this year then next year i wanna change the turbo.... also would like to run a tad more boost?
What is 'AE' short for??

[WaynoFRS]

AE is the generic base map installed by Ford. I don't know what it means but its the one you need to have. I had AF on my car and travelled up North to have AE put on it, as it was *Coughing* at 4500 rpm with the AF map. Now it cured it and it drives alot more harder.

As for the Manifold. My mate is breaking his FRS to sell and has a near enough brand new (1000 miles old) Blueflame Manifold for sale for around Ł600.
Its advertised on the RSOC mate.

[WaynoFRS]

Thread locked unless your a member of RSOC.......Sorry.

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

AE is the generic base map installed by Ford. I don't know what it means but its the one you need to have. I had AF on my car and travelled up North to have AE put on it, as it was *Coughing* at 4500 rpm with the AF map. Now it cured it and it drives alot more harder.

As for the Manifold. My mate is breaking his FRS to sell and has a near enough brand new (1000 miles old) Blueflame Manifold for sale for around Ł600.
Its advertised on the RSOC mate.

O i c... got it now its a map on the early RS's better than the later mk1 RS map.
I see some 1 in in watford on here is sellin a second hand blueflame ceramic manifold for 550 (might b the same fella?? 1PD or somethin??

[binman jim]

Originally Posted by knighty444

Well not got pockets full of money lol, but i wanna put a manifold on it this year then next year i wanna change the turbo.... also would like to run a tad more boost?
What is 'AE' short for??

unless your only going for a hybrid gt25. i'd wait and get a mani and a turbo at the same time. coz you'll have to by another manifold if you want a gt28 or 30.

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by binman jim

unless your only going for a hybrid gt25. i'd wait and get a mani and a turbo at the same time. coz you'll have to by another manifold if you want a gt28 or 30.

I thought the GT28 turbo still fitted the miltec/blueflame mnifold?

[WaynoFRS]

The lad 1-PD is a lad called Steve. He's advertised the manifold for my mate Nath, as Nath isn't a member of PF.
Thats the one I was telling you about.

As for needing a different 'Fold if you buy a '28 thats a little misleading. See, I had my FMS fitted by TOTD a year before I went to SCC to have my GT28 fitted. It fitted like a glove and was not advised that I needed to change it.

But you will need a Boost Controller if you buy the GT28.
Don't forget that, coz they are expensive.

Plus, you'll also need a GT28 De-Cat pipe, which is lots too. There is no Sports Cat for the '28 either so you have to De-Cat.

But for definate answers to your questions, speak to Rob.

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

The lad 1-PD is a lad called Steve. He's advertised the manifold for my mate Nath, as Nath isn't a member of PF.
Thats the one I was telling you about.

As for needing a different 'Fold if you buy a '28 thats a little misleading. See, I had my FMS fitted by TOTD a year before I went to SCC to have my GT28 fitted. It fitted like a glove and was not advised that I needed to change it.

But you will need a Boost Controller if you buy the GT28.
Don't forget that, coz they are expensive.

Plus, you'll also need a GT28 De-Cat pipe, which is lots too. There is no Sports Cat for the '28 either so you have to De-Cat.

But for definate answers to your questions, speak to Rob.

cool cool i will do

Yea i messaged him bout some bits but i ain't heard anythin back, this was a couple of days ago i'm after his headlights, splitter and indicators, would b interested in him manifold in a couple of weeks but didn't wanna commit 2 it till i had the money

[WaynoFRS]

Splitter has been sold. My mate has just bought it for his FRS.

[knighty444]

Dame lol

[jonnyfocus]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

Power wise, once my controller is fitted (Car is SORN'd ATM) i should be knocking on the door of 335 brake at 22psi I reckon.
If your gonna get a Manifold, then either go for Primary Designs, GGR or JEK.
Blueflame are naff and so are Nortech.

A Manifold is brilliant for torque increase. Really feel the difference.

Whats bad about the blueflame one?

[AlexRS2782]

Originally Posted by binman jim

unless your only going for a hybrid gt25. i'd wait and get a mani and a turbo at the same time. coz you'll have to by another manifold if you want a gt28 or 30.

Nice & misleading & not correct at all

You'll need a new decat or sports cat specific to the gt28 or GT30, but gt28 & gt30 bolts straight onto the aftermarket manifolds - i should know as i have a GT28 bolted onto my PD manifold and before i fitted the 28 i was running the standard GT25 attached to the PD - another FRS owner i know with a GT30, well that bolts straight onto the same type of PD manifold as i have with no mods required

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by AlexRS2782

Nice & misleading & not correct at all

You'll need a new decat or sports cat specific to the gt28 or GT30, but gt28 & gt30 bolts straight onto the aftermarket manifolds - i should know as i have a GT28 bolted onto my PD manifold and before i fitted the 28 i was running the standard GT25 attached to the PD - another FRS owner i know with a GT30, well that bolts straight onto the same type of PD manifold as i have with no mods required

Thats what i though...didn't know bout the decat pipe bit thou..... cheers for the info fellas

[WaynoFRS]

As Alex and I have said. Having a GT28 will make no difference on manifold choice.

As for Blueflame Manifolds, they run too close to the Boost Hose & Slam Panel and causes some extreme heat build up.
Worth avoiding IMO. My mate has one and its melted his slam panel, coz its too close.

I Might be selling my Original FMS Manifold soon all wrapped and ready to go straight onto the car.
Would be looking for around Ł420 as a COPY of this is available for Ł500+

[jonnyfocus]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

As Alex and I have said. Having a GT28 will make no difference on manifold choice.

As for Blueflame Manifolds, they run too close to the Boost Hose & Slam Panel and causes some extreme heat build up.
Worth avoiding IMO. My mate has one and its melted his slam panel, coz its too close.

I Might be selling my Original FMS Manifold soon all wrapped and ready to go straight onto the car.
Would be looking for around Ł420 as a COPY of this is available for Ł500+

My Blueflame manifold is near 3" away from my boost hose, it could be the make of hose or else the way he has it fitted if its close. Its close enough to the slam panel agreed though mine is ok so fair. I had my car live mapped and for some reason the manifold doesn't get as hot as it did, it goes orange on the rollers where as on my last map it went purple.

[cootsie]

Don't think i would go the GT28 route. IMO you would be better with a hybrid.

[WaynoFRS]

Graham, don't say that mate LOL. The lad wants a proper Turbo, a GT28 and all the trimmings

[cootsie]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

Graham, don't say that mate LOL. The lad wants a proper Turbo, a GT28 and all the trimmings

Hybrid is the best way and you know it wayne.......

[knighty444]

lol....now now lads...ur confusein me now.... pro and cons of the 2 (change the thread topic again lol ).... i don't come from a ford back ground so excuse all the questions =)

[WaynoFRS]

In a Nutshell then.............

Hybrid Turbo - Is exactly the same size as the standard GT25 Turbo in your car. Most have GT28 Internals so are capable of providing good power returns. No adaptions are needed for a Hybrid, so your CAT will fit it come MOT time.
However, they spool up very quickly and give you a massive shunt at low revs which can cause the car to feel unstable and skittish. Hybrid's are typically run direct off the Actuator but over time the spring will wear and boost will drop slightly, meaning adjustments.
Price wise - Somewhere around Ł700.

GT28 Turbo - Is simply a bigger all round Turbo Unit. It has strong internals and provides massive power, but brings with it slight Turbo Lag, which is lovely coz the Torque will drag you along until BANG, it comes on boost. Alex's car has one of these and is pushing 416bhp @ the Fly.
A Hybrid will NEVER reach that kind of horsepower coz its not strong enough.
GT28's need a specific De-Cat to pair it with the manifold & Exhaust.
There is NO CAT for this turbo. You have to De-Cat.
GT28 needs a Boost Controller to operate the best from it.

If you want big power (over 380 bhp) then GT28 is the one to have.
Price Wise (Via SCC) - Ł1895 Turbo fitted and Ł500 Blitz boost Controller.

Choice is yours.

[knighty444]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

In a Nutshell then.............

Hybrid Turbo - Is exactly the same size as the standard GT25 Turbo in your car. Most have GT28 Internals so are capable of providing good power returns. No adaptions are needed for a Hybrid, so your CAT will fit it come MOT time.
However, they spool up very quickly and give you a massive shunt at low revs which can cause the car to feel unstable and skittish. Hybrid's are typically run direct off the Actuator but over time the spring will wear and boost will drop slightly, meaning adjustments.
Price wise - Somewhere around Ł700.

GT28 Turbo - Is simply a bigger all round Turbo Unit. It has strong internals and provides massive power, but brings with it slight Turbo Lag, which is lovely coz the Torque will drag you along until BANG, it comes on boost. Alex's car has one of these and is pushing 416bhp @ the Fly.
A Hybrid will NEVER reach that kind of horsepower coz its not strong enough.
GT28's need a specific De-Cat to pair it with the manifold & Exhaust.
There is NO CAT for this turbo. You have to De-Cat.
GT28 needs a Boost Controller to operate the best from it.

If you want big power (over 380 bhp) then GT28 is the one to have.
Price Wise (Via SCC) - Ł1895 Turbo fitted and Ł500 Blitz boost Controller.

Choice is yours.

Dude your a 'college of knowledge' fella....cheers for another small education on the FRS .....but so far the best thing i have found out is reliability of these cars and the tunin potetial

[cootsie]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

In a Nutshell then.............

Hybrid Turbo -

GT28 Turbo -
A Hybrid will NEVER reach that kind of horsepower coz its not strong enough.

Now are you sure Wayne??? be careful before you answer....lol

[WaynoFRS]

Gra, has a Hybrid ever seen 400 brake? I don't think it has mate, hence my comment. If i'm talking shiite though then by all means correct me .

I just simply prefer the power delivery with my Turbo. Hybrid makes the car a little unstable for my liking.

[jonnyfocus]

At what rpm is the full boost at on a GT28?

My standard turbo is a bit after 3500rpm is the 28 later than that?

[cootsie]

Originally Posted by WaynoFRS

Gra, has a Hybrid ever seen 400 brake? I don't think it has mate, hence my comment. If i'm talking shiite though then by all means correct me .

I just simply prefer the power delivery with my Turbo. Hybrid makes the car a little unstable for my liking.

I'm not sure wayne, think johnfrs might be knockin on the door at 400bhp with a hybrid. I'm sure he was looking to be over 400.


everybody is different, you like GT28' some like hybrid.....me? i run a Std turbo.....

[Doncarlyon]

Fillers car made 389bhp on hybrid without a custom map... so a hybrid will do 400bhp IMO

[WaynoFRS]

Bloody hell Lee. On what rollers though lol.