1400 upgrade to an 1800?

GTechR · 13-02-2007, 09:17 PM

A mate of mine has a nice little focus 1400, he's been having loads of problems with it, so I semi jokingly suggested he buys an 1800 zetec I have.

Now the engine I have is complete with the ECU, the loom, the inlet and exhaust manifolds, all the sensors, pretty much everything.

Is it as straight forward as it would first appear to swap engines? Would we be able to run the 1800 ecu in the 1400? As the 1400 has Pacs etc? can we bolt the box from the 1400 on the 1800? I assume as the 1400 appears to sit further down and angled we'd have to use different engine mounts? maybe from an 1800 focus?

Or is it far more complicated as in we'd have to use an 1800 focus ecu/loom/box etc?

Any advice greatfully recieved

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HeavyD · 14-02-2007, 10:21 AM

Hi mate,

I have seen a few people do this mod on the ffoc, from what i can remember its a pain in the ass because your changing from a Zetec S engine to a Zetec E, i think you need

Engine
ECU
The loom for under the bonnet
Engine sensors
Maybe the loom for inside the car ( coz the ecu might have a different plug im not sure tho! )
Engine mounts
Full exhaust system ( the 1.4 exhaust from the cat back wont fit the 1.8 manifold )
Auxiliary ( like water pipes for the rad and that sort of stuff )

I think for the 1.8 engine you need an IB5 Gearbox, but your friends 1.4 will have a IB5 already

I’m not sure what else you would need because ive never seen this dont in person + you will have to tell the insurance company you have changed the engine, you might what to talk to them to see how this would effect your insurance policy

749steve · 14-02-2007, 06:37 PM

if this is lew your on about his best bet is to just sell it and buy a new car.
the conversion is a lot of expense and hassle. and the car isnt worth that sort of investment

GTechR · 14-02-2007, 06:44 PM

Pretty much got everything Steve, depends what he'd get for it surely? if it's not running right he'll not get much for it... So he'll then not have much to put towards a new car...

749steve · 14-02-2007, 07:37 PM

yes but he will need a focus bay loom and ecu and other parts
the ecu on these is tied into the clocks,central locking,imobiliser,etc

GTechR · 14-02-2007, 07:41 PM

fair play... was just an idea

749steve · 14-02-2007, 07:45 PM

i know you would like to sell your engine gaz but there is too much work for him i think
he just needs to cut his losses and buy that st he was talking about to me

mark_h · 15-02-2007, 06:45 AM

he will also need a 1.8 rad. and obviously bigger brakes

HeavyD · 15-02-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mark_h

bigger brakes

The disk size and the callipers are all the same size until you get to the St170 and Rs. but i agree with 749steve it properly would be cheaper to sell the car and buy a 2.0l or a St170

watson · 15-02-2007, 08:17 AM

I had planned to put a 1.8 in my 1.6 but when I priced it all up etc its not worth doing as for a little more money you can just buy a newer 1.8 with more reliability.

focusmodmad · 31-10-2008, 01:22 AM

i own a 1.4 focus and im thinking of dropping a 2.0l in from a mondeo you can buy a mondeo these days for about 200quid and all the parts are there ...

Alex the kid · 31-10-2008, 09:40 AM

its not stupidly hard as above loom ecu etc so the car owuld need to be stripped but for the cost for a small move he is better selling and buying an st170 there very chheap now

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mark_h fo-cos in the making Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: stevenage - Posts: 442 Rep Power: 8	he will also need a 1.8 rad. and obviously bigger brakes __________________ RST RESTO

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Alex the kid Part of the Furniture Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cannock Posts: 177 Rep Power: 5	its not stupidly hard as above loom ecu etc so the car owuld need to be stripped but for the cost for a small move he is better selling and buying an st170 there very chheap now __________________

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14-02-2007, 10:21 AM	#2
HeavyD Sierra Cosworth Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Kent Posts: 88 Rep Power: 7	Hi mate, I have seen a few people do this mod on the ffoc, from what i can remember its a pain in the ass because your changing from a Zetec S engine to a Zetec E, i think you need Engine ECU The loom for under the bonnet Engine sensors Maybe the loom for inside the car ( coz the ecu might have a different plug im not sure tho! ) Engine mounts Full exhaust system ( the 1.4 exhaust from the cat back wont fit the 1.8 manifold ) Auxiliary ( like water pipes for the rad and that sort of stuff ) I think for the 1.8 engine you need an IB5 Gearbox, but your friends 1.4 will have a IB5 already I’m not sure what else you would need because ive never seen this dont in person + you will have to tell the insurance company you have changed the engine, you might what to talk to them to see how this would effect your insurance policy

14-02-2007, 06:37 PM	#3
749steve Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: crowle, scunthorpe Posts: 2,004 Rep Power: 10	if this is lew your on about his best bet is to just sell it and buy a new car. the conversion is a lot of expense and hassle. and the car isnt worth that sort of investment

14-02-2007, 07:37 PM	#5
749steve Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: crowle, scunthorpe Posts: 2,004 Rep Power: 10	yes but he will need a focus bay loom and ecu and other parts the ecu on these is tied into the clocks,central locking,imobiliser,etc

14-02-2007, 07:45 PM	#7
749steve Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: crowle, scunthorpe Posts: 2,004 Rep Power: 10	i know you would like to sell your engine gaz but there is too much work for him i think he just needs to cut his losses and buy that st he was talking about to me

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watson Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 93 Rep Power: 7	I had planned to put a 1.8 in my 1.6 but when I priced it all up etc its not worth doing as for a little more money you can just buy a newer 1.8 with more reliability.

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focusmodmad 15000 Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: sunderland Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	i own a 1.4 focus and im thinking of dropping a 2.0l in from a mondeo you can buy a mondeo these days for about 200quid and all the parts are there ...

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