marky_g

Whats the crack with this then guy in burton power said beat combo is ap 4 paddle and the standard cover plate?

Anyone else running an uprated friction plate on the standard cover plate??

tony66

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i ran a standard clutch [pattern one at that] stage bhp for ages years ago it gave no issues at all and took lots abuse-so probs not far off,i would rather a normal disc than a paddle for feel if at all possible

Dezzer

4 paddles are very juddery and harsh 6 paddles are better

studabear

My ZT has a Alcon 6 paddle and a standard LUK cover, copes mint at 14.5psi

When out mapping it was just starting to slip a bit coming on boost in 5th at 18psi so we backed the boost off as its plenty quick enough.

Tim Wharton

I ran a 6 paddle Alcon with a standard cover worked very well but difficult take up and judder unless you got the reves just right
It tends to score the flywheel up quite badly though so it will need a skim if you want to go back to a normal disc type at any stage
Be good for a track omly car
Cheers Tim.

studabear

Weird, mine is pretty much like a normal clutch, I think my vibration is from the vibratechnik gearbox mounts.

Twins

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I run an ap 4 paddle with standard cover plate, no judder,lovely pedal no problems at all

Chas

A fully race 4 paddle is very juddery yes. My S1 RST with a Helix 4 paddle is just horrible on the road. I have got used to it but I do have to think when changing gear. Changing gear like a normal car will result in the car stalling or a very harsh and unforgiving change, almost as if you will break something. Yes it does judder on the biting point. My friends refuse to drive the car or even move it!

I drove this year an S1 that allegedly was running a 4 paddle clutch with a stock cover. It did have a little judder yes, but it was minimal, certainly far far less than a 4 paddle or even a cheap clutch kit! It's how I plan to go with RST when the gearbox is pulled out.

marky_g

im rely undecided now, im not going to use the car much i wouldn't have thought the odd meet and show and i doubt it'll ever make more that 200bhp

a friend is selling the ap 4 paddel cheap thats the main reason im considering it, but i have herd good things about the ap organic range,

are there any other options apart from ap and alcon?

marky_g

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DriveTorqu...UAAOSwymxVNNJL

anyone used one of these?

Chas

I believe that variety are best avoided. One of the brands seems to have a failure rate behind it. You don't get something for nothing.

If I was debating power increased around the 200BHP I'd probably do a stock clutch cover with a 4 paddle centre. But there is a question mark over longevity.

Otherwise one of the AP fast road items should do the trick like the AP2000-8 and AP2008-35 but you will then also need to change the quadrant due to the increased clutch plate pressure on the centre disc.

How cheap is the AP and how worn is it? I shall be honest. One of the reasons I planning to go with a stock cover and Helix 4 paddle is down to power handling and cost.

Roscopeco

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I've had both a stud cover and a race cover on my AP 4 paddle and the std cover was so much smoother

marky_g

Like 1/2 price of a new one, i was debating using the cp2000 type with the standard cover plate but ive herd they also slip

Looking more and more like the 4 paddle is my best option price/power wise

M16NTE

I've just bought a 4 paddle an standard clutch cover for my s1, alot of people I know with turbos run that an they say good things. But im also converting it to hydraulic too, so will be even nicer.

Chas

IMO if the one I drove is anything to go by they are not that bad even on a cable clutch .

jamie's

You can get 2 differant types of paddle plates, sprung and unsprung
The unsprung plates give a lot more judder than a sprung plate as they are designed more for motorsport use

Chas

My Helix is sprung (it's the item in This Link going by the receipts and I can tell you it still judders alot, far too much to live with if I used the car regularly. It's a pain as it is with other Ford owners saying it feels ridiculous.