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Old 25-06-2015, 11:06 AM
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Default One of the many reasons I don't like using old Ford EFI....

.... Fucked about with looms!

This was removed from a Fiesta and fitted as the customer found it to his Escort believing it to all be as it should.

The Coil pack suppressor is plugged into the Amal valve wiring/connector
Two giveaways here... Firstly the suppressor connector only has one wire to it not two and secondly one of the pins it rotated 90deg making it hard to actually push the wrong plug on oh and of course it should be over the other side of the engine bay teed off of the coil pack live too.
The loom was cut and joined (for no obvious reason) 3" from the Amal plug and the coil pack wiring has also been cut and joined with no sign of the suppressor wiring anywhere.







If you are fitting old Ford EFI management be it OFAB, OFAC or Cossie please be sure it's all correct or you will be always chasing problems.
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Old 26-06-2015, 03:17 PM
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Thats pretty lol, how much grief did that give you? BTW, if you have the amal valve connector you don't need to add any other wires to the loom if you are installing a boost solenoid on OFAM, forgot to tell you that the other day but you have probably worked it out.

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love it ...whats going on with what i think is a vac pipe to the right if the picture? looks a bit over engineered lol
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Originally Posted by Rob_DOHC
Thats pretty lol, how much grief did that give you? BTW, if you have the amal valve connector you don't need to add any other wires to the loom if you are installing a boost solenoid on OFAM, forgot to tell you that the other day but you have probably worked it out.

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Enough!
Yeah I did realise when reading the docs, but with the wiring being where it is (loom has been stripped and reassembled badly at some point) it was actually quicker to just run fresh, plus I didn't know until I realised what was going on here! lol
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love it ...whats going on with what i think is a vac pipe to the right if the picture? looks a bit over engineered lol
Over engineered boost gauge take off I think, I've not actually looked at it yet as getting it running right is first on the list.
Old 27-06-2015, 08:18 AM
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feel for u mate, fking hate dozy gits working on electrics... once stripped out more than one handful of excess wiring on an mx5 i used to own... live wires dangling everywhere, tucked into holes.etc.
good find mate.. well done.
Old 27-06-2015, 09:11 AM
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Unnecessarily long wiring is one of my pet hates. Was working on my mk1 golf and it had that lovely 80s install fitted....
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Soon found the best place for it though lol
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I hate crimp through connectors and scotchlocks. Solder and heatshrink all the way!

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Old 29-06-2015, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mentalasanything
I hate crimp through connectors and scotchlocks. Solder and heatshrink all the way!

Lee
Damn right. I hate crimp connectors for the hassle they seem to cause, although for a short term fix they are OK (I.e a roadside repair).
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Another one I had yesterday....
Engine RPM was randomly unstable, one minute it was fine the next it was all over the place in a rhythmic fashion!
This ICV wiring had been cut and then twisted and taped together badly (not even extended, just cut and rejoined in exactly the same place?!) and as the engine vibrated the connection was open...closed...open...closed so the idle valve was also open...closed...open..closed!

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well done you found a twisted wire. all hail.
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Whats your problem mate? seriously.

Every other tuner/user on here either stays in the back ground and holds their comments or logs on and makes helpful posts. They never make snide digs intended to harm some one else's business or bad mouth each other like kids.

Grow up as this kind of behaviour is simply below you. The unfortunate thing as I have already said is that you are clearly an clever guy with some interesting ideas and a lot of know how, in other circumstances you would have been an interesting fellow to chat with. But stuff like this just puts you in a bad light.
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rob dont come over all high and mighty. it suits you and karlos when you like, but when you get it back you cry.
Old 10-07-2015, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Versus_Creations
well done you found a twisted wire. all hail.
It was just another example of poor wiring that causes problems for people, no praise necessary
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rob dont come over all high and mighty. it suits you and karlos when you like, but when you get it back you cry.
Rob is correct though, all you seem to do recently is put people down, both customers and other people in the trade.... you really don't come across well at all, need I remind you of the Cossie management discussion with James @ MSD?
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'cos james couldnt suss it out and they cant sell secondhand ecus. Yep makes total sense
enough anyway mods and us all getting bored now.
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again ffs aint you lot got any work to do
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Originally Posted by Versus_Creations
'cos james couldnt suss it out and they cant sell secondhand ecus. Yep makes total sense
enough anyway mods and us all getting bored now.

No mate, I was actually referring to the part where you insulted the customer and accused him of lying, then made statements about James and Stu... only for James to come along and put you in your place, I can quote if you don't remember?

But yes ok enough, it doesn't really help anyone.
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Originally Posted by 1-PD
again ffs aint you lot got any work to do
lol Sorry mate, at least this is my thread!

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lol - Actually this is a decent distraction from a job which I've managed to put off for a few days now!

I think we can leave the subject alone now, yes Jano?
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you lot made me smile today as it was like telling my sons off and yes karlos it is
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Originally Posted by Rob_DOHC
lol - Actually this is a decent distraction from a job which I've managed to put off for a few days now!

I think we can leave the subject alone now, yes Jano?
Is it my 5 Cyl sequential ECU?
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you lot made me smile today as it was like telling my sons off
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Originally Posted by Karl @ FPT
lol Sorry mate, at least this is my thread!
sorry to the op.
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Originally Posted by Karl @ FPT
Is it my 5 Cyl sequential ECU?


lol
haha, no thats my distraction from my distraction. All done, just got to sort out a case for it now.
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Originally Posted by 1-PD
you lot made me smile today as it was like telling my sons off and yes karlos it is
Lol, I did feel light a naughty school boy for a moment there.
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Originally Posted by Versus_Creations
sorry to the op.
lol Excellent!
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haha, no thats my distraction from my distraction. All done, just got to sort out a case for it now.
Ah superb, cheers Rob!
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wile we are on the subject of efi I'm wanting to fit ofam is there anything i should check before fitting e.g wiring sensors?
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Is your car already on EFI and running ok?
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yes its efi and running fine.
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Then you will probably have no or little problems and can just plug and play!
All the sensors can be tested of course but if the car is running fine, cold and hot start are good, throttle response is good, stable idle, smooth boost etc. I would just get the ECU and drop the car to your chosen tuner for mapping, they will soon see if there are any issues once the ECU is installed anyway.
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