16 cvh 300BHP

[lovinitsideways]

Originally Posted by Rob_DOHC No disrespect to Luke, but i was there recently with a friend and was disgusted with his partner, i think luke is the brains behind the act..... as he mapped another friends cosworth very well. Where as you can go somewhere else and no matter who touches you car you know they are more than cappable. Rob Im very sorry to here this. If i was going to do your cars and was un able this summer you have my appoliges,i was a little hit and miss due to family problems. I work on my own again now which is the best way so i can ensure all jobs are satisfactory and customers are treated well. The lad who ran your car was sacked as there were loads of other issuse.I wont go in to detail. He was supposed to be a partner/manager but could hardly manage to use the loo. You have my appoliges and may i offer you a free rr for you both as a good will gesture. check web site for contact etc as we have moved. Ps My rolling road is a Maha lps 3000 4x4 running the old opperating system with dyno plot or piper aqusition softwere. It is calibrated . It will be upgraded to land and seas Dyno max 2010 within the next 2 months. Regards luke

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[Rob_DOHC]

Hi there Luke,

Thats very kind of you! as said i never had a problem with you at all and made clear that i have been impressed by your jobs on various friends cars in the past. Im sorry to hear you had other problems with the guy, would not have been a problem if he had simply said "i don't know what im doing" instead of potentially screwing a new engine.

Thanks for the reply, and for the offer of the rr etc. I hope business is good and your new premisies are ok.

All the best

Rob,

[primey]

Originally Posted by Rob_DOHC

i agree, i suppose there is a nice stockness and achievement to getting 300+ from the 1600, but in reality it is far cheaper and more reliable to build a zetec turbo or zvh....... remember 300 brake will rape most gearboxes you will put on it lol so unfortunately in my book you would need to do an MTX75 swap as well.

Rob,

how hard is the mtx box swap, is that the one from rs200 mk5?

[Rob_DOHC]

Hi there,

The rs2000 has the mtx and so do the mondeos. Im afraid i haven't actually done the swap my self as i have no need to (too little power lol).

There are people here who have done the conversion, but the main company i can think of that can help you is oddkid creations. I believe they have done a few of these now????

I think you need to weld a mount to the floor for the equal lenght drive shafts, get some custom drive shafts made/converted and a few other things ?!?!?!?

Sorry i couldn't help you more mate, but i suspect it is a really good conversion to do if you have the time and patience, i know the mtx75 is a strong box, and if you do the drive shaft conversion torque steer will me reduced. However its worth noting that you will loose your lsd unless you fork out for an atb...

Rob,

[primey]

cool thanks rob, i hav one easily obtainable n wondered if i could/should bother with it. iv got a strong box anyway so not overly desperate. cheers m8, nathan

[primey]

about all the power figures, i was speaking to jamie at jamsport n a SIMULA spec to mine, tall blok, stage 3 head (in short) t34, custom inlet all the right mods, breathers, coolers etc and he was running gotec pro and himself made 280bhp. im hoping to get gotec this summer n get on the other side of 250. all dynos can giv difrent readings due to many difrent issues... weather etc etc, calabiration etc. but if someone has a print out i think they should hav the respect due as ON THAT DAY AND DYNO was proven. imo fellas not disagreein with anythin.... cheers

[Rob_DOHC]

No worries mate, any time

Rob,

[d4 rst]

Originally Posted by primey

about all the power figures, i was speaking to jamie at jamsport n a SIMULA spec to mine, tall blok, stage 3 head (in short) t34, custom inlet all the right mods, breathers, coolers etc and he was running gotec pro and himself made 280bhp. im hoping to get gotec this summer n get on the other side of 250. all dynos can giv difrent readings due to many difrent issues... weather etc etc, calabiration etc. but if someone has a print out i think they should hav the respect due as ON THAT DAY AND DYNO was proven. imo fellas not disagreein with anythin.... cheers

100%

[Christian and Beccy]

d4 rst - Can you tell me more about the Chargecooler system? I'd be VERY surprised if it'll work. Also, is the Kent cam ground for solid lifters? What lifters are they? Who made them?

[aajbarker]

i had a fiesta back in the summer that the engine was out of tom scarlett's 400 bhp s1, which apperently was "mapped down" to 300bhp on greens injectors. the engine was all singing all dancing with hanson tubular manifold, t4 rollerbearing turbo full L6 cossie management but as a few have said it could shred a new box in 500miles normally the dodgy pinion shaft. i put a thread on here and some were saying focus rs box would be best but cutting of car and gearbox was definatly needed! 2 much hassle for me so i just bought the focus lol. apperently the car which was lou lou's old motor went derby or sumwhere for just shy of 5k.

[gus]

toms never made 400 as far as im aware

see it do 320's on some rollers at ipswich way (name escapes me for the minute)

[Christian and Beccy]

Originally Posted by primey

about all the power figures, i was speaking to jamie at jamsport n a SIMULA spec to mine, tall blok, stage 3 head (in short) t34, custom inlet all the right mods, breathers, coolers etc and he was running gotec pro and himself made 280bhp. im hoping to get gotec this summer n get on the other side of 250. all dynos can giv difrent readings due to many difrent issues... weather etc etc, calabiration etc. but if someone has a print out i think they should hav the respect due as ON THAT DAY AND DYNO was proven. imo fellas not disagreein with anythin.... cheers

IMO, a printout is NOT gospel. I have, over the years, probably been the main person on here to have lots to say about dyno's and many a heated discussion about the fact that there is a greater proportion of shit dyno figures out there (for whatever reason, whether it be shit equipment, an operator without the knowledge, deliberate false figures, clutch slip, wheelspin, I could go on....)

I have previously posted graphs to highlight my point. Dyno Dynamics is regarded by most (MLR for one) as being the benchmark. Love it or hate it, that seems to be the one dyno that the majority accept that has the best chance of any comparison on different days and at different dyno's. Also, it displays a bit of tell-tale data too, which helps the trained eye pick out the bullshit. The MLR boys will only really entertain a figure from Dyno Dynamics and they will pick holes in it first.

[aajbarker]

that 400bhp is only hearsay although a few diferent people mentioned it, defo wert when i had it but super fast and a bulletproof engine. only probs i had was snapping gearbox mount bolts and fooking gearbox's

[Mark Shead]

Originally Posted by morph

if its mark's black rs turbo that was shown to make 256bhp along with the s1 turbo which made 258bhp i remember reading the article in the Perfomance Ford or Fast ford mag back then, i think it was a front cover feature aswell.

either way he was able to get some monster power out of mfi back then, ok the cars were newer but it is possible.

The best my old car made was 236hp and about 260ftlb from mem.

Mark

[Mark Shead]

Originally Posted by Tim

if the cars had that much power back then why did they do such shit times etc?

If you are talking about my old car which was the only RS turbo I had tested from mem,
For your info back then which was to long ago we just turned up for testing with no prep the timing equ was fitted in the car not like todays stuff prob weighed 25kilo and the equ was run by the operator in the car,
So the cars back then were run with about 100kg extra weight and normal road tyres.

Mark

[j6kyt]

When i owned an rs turbo i was always chasing more power and for what something else to break. Now i have a std escos although it's not a quick car nothing breaks on it either. The amount of money i threw at the old rs turbo could have brought me the escos anyway. Think i'm getting old or just tight fisted!

[Christian and Beccy]

^^^ It's why I bought the Megane and oddly, even after owning a GENUINE 350bhp RST, I'm not bored of the Megane in any way and it's bog standard at the moment!!

Goes to show the importance of actually being able to USE your car, regardless of whether it has biblical BHP.

[RSTAaron]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

^^^ It's why I bought the Megane and oddly, even after owning a GENUINE 350bhp RST, I'm not bored of the Megane in any way and it's bog standard at the moment!!

Goes to show the importance of actually being able to USE your car, regardless of whether it has biblical BHP.

What you planning on doing to it then...?

[Christian and Beccy]

Originally Posted by RSTAaron

What you planning on doing to it then...?

Well, it'd be rude not to do a Stage 1 map, doesn't give it a massive BHP gain, but it does gain about 45-50lb/ft apparently (would take it to 270-280lb/ft).

If I went for an Intercooler, Injectors and a Stage 2 remap, I've heard that 350lb/ft is possible.

That's a clear 40lb/ft more than my RST ever made. OK, not so top endy, but would be a fucking hoot to drive that I do know.

[morph]

Originally Posted by Mark Shead

The best my old car made was 236hp and about 260ftlb from mem.

Mark

sorry must of misread the figures in the mag.

[Mark Shead]

Originally Posted by morph

sorry must of misread the figures in the mag.

Kirstans car was 256hp on the RR I used and went to another a while after and made 286hp.

Mark

[RSTAaron]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

Well, it'd be rude not to do a Stage 1 map, doesn't give it a massive BHP gain, but it does gain about 45-50lb/ft apparently (would take it to 270-280lb/ft).

If I went for an Intercooler, Injectors and a Stage 2 remap, I've heard that 350lb/ft is possible.

That's a clear 40lb/ft more than my RST ever made. OK, not so top endy, but would be a fucking hoot to drive that I do know.

Sounds good!

I need to book my Rs Turbo in for a set up and would like to discuss engine choice for my white one, are you about tomorrow?

[morph]

Originally Posted by Mark Shead

Kirstans car was 256hp on the RR I used and went to another a while after and made 286hp.

Mark

was kirstans the black one?

[Mark Shead]

Originally Posted by morph

was kirstans the black one?

His and mine were black, his had leather seats.

Mark

[d4 rst]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

^^^ It's why I bought the Megane and oddly, even after owning a GENUINE 350bhp RST, I'm not bored of the Megane in any way and it's bog standard at the moment!!

Goes to show the importance of actually being able to USE your car, regardless of whether it has biblical BHP.

I BET THE RST WAS MUCH MORE FUN AND YOU WISH YOU STILL HAD IT. LONG LIVE RST GIVE ME 20+ MORE YEARS.

[d4 rst]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

^^^ It's why I bought the Megane and oddly, even after owning a GENUINE 350bhp RST, I'm not bored of the Megane in any way and it's bog standard at the moment!!

Goes to show the importance of actually being able to USE your car, regardless of whether it has biblical BHP.

I THINK YOU MISS YOUR RST 350BHP YOU WAS TOP DOG ONE TIME.

[d4 rst]

Originally Posted by d4 rst

stage 4 head has kent cvh 36, double valve(isky) springs, motosport solid lifters, fully gas flowed, ported and polished, bigger valves, bronze guides and its a cross hatch hemi head.
Turbo spec unsure at moment but is able to produce upto 400bhp.
751 = 7.5:1 comp ratio
wossner pistons
h section steel rods
standard crank lightened and balanced
.5mm bored oversize
arp bolt set
heavy duty bearings
charge cooler setup
siemens injectors rated upto 400bhp
cossie fuel pump uprated
cossie fuel rail
cossie throttle body
gotech mfi pro x
anti-lag
stage 2+ box with 3.5 final drive
coil pack
new ancilaries allround

what is best cam for cvh? How much power can standard inlet make? Cheers

[S1 JOHN S1]

Originally Posted by d4 rst

what is best cam for cvh? How much power can standard inlet make? Cheers

Will be new-man to alot of ppl,I have a severn valley old skool cam lol much like the piper T2 cam I think it's ok my self

I aint used new man cam's but heard good and fooking bad thing's about them,Hard to know decide a kent cam may wear down but CVH's are shit cam wise anyway,

Best bet whip it and 16v full zetec conversion

[d4 rst]

Originally Posted by s1 john s1

will be new-man to alot of ppl,i have a severn valley old skool cam lol much like the piper t2 cam i think it's ok my self

i aint used new man cam's but heard good and fooking bad thing's about them,hard to know decide a kent cam may wear down but cvh's are shit cam wise anyway,

best bet whip it and 16v full zetec conversion

how is your car are you happy with it?

[S1 JOHN S1]

Originally Posted by d4 rst

how is your car are you happy with it?

My car's ok still need to chuck more money at it,Gearbox is as good as dead esp when it's some proper boot in her,So need a new box but i have a MTX out in the yard with 80K on it so will use that .

Same as the engine the CVH is coming out at some point I have a Zetec i am gonna build my self as i have one with 3k's worth of work on it in the back yard too So gonna stip and re build that and full zetec turbo,CVH's are old simple fact suppose But i will live with the CVH over the coming year

[Chris69]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

Well, it'd be rude not to do a Stage 1 map, doesn't give it a massive BHP gain, but it does gain about 45-50lb/ft apparently (would take it to 270-280lb/ft).

If I went for an Intercooler, Injectors and a Stage 2 remap, I've heard that 350lb/ft is possible.

That's a clear 40lb/ft more than my RST ever made. OK, not so top endy, but would be a fucking hoot to drive that I do know.

you shouldn't have wasted your time with the 1600cvh then
of course the megane will make more torque just as a 2litre zetec turbo would have if you'd fitted one to your rst.

[trooper1991]

isnt this an intersting thread, could some pls tell me how you would get 170mph+++ out of a stage 2 gearbox i know it has stronger gears and a better diff but the gear ratio is still the same as the standard gearbox ? correct me if im wrong, my car hits the limiter at 6,700rpm doing 156mph this is as accurate as i can tell you on 15" wheels so i do know how you would get the extra 14mph at them gear ratios- again please tell me how, also just to clear a thing up harvey gibbs no longer has a rolling road just an engine dyno?????
also i had 233bhp rolling road print out on one dyno - not sure which one and another rolling road print out shows 208bhp!

[S1 JOHN S1]

Harvey doesn't have a RR chassis dyon your right

He use's a engine dyno now

[d4 rst]

Hi luke at enhanced performance is makeing me a custom inlet so i can get some more bhp out of the car keep up the good work luke 300bhp+ yep.

[d4 rst]

Originally Posted by trooper1991

isnt this an intersting thread, could some pls tell me how you would get 170mph+++ out of a stage 2 gearbox i know it has stronger gears and a better diff but the gear ratio is still the same as the standard gearbox ? Correct me if im wrong, my car hits the limiter at 6,700rpm doing 156mph this is as accurate as i can tell you on 15" wheels so i do know how you would get the extra 14mph at them gear ratios- again please tell me how, also just to clear a thing up harvey gibbs no longer has a rolling road just an engine dyno?????
Also i had 233bhp rolling road print out on one dyno - not sure which one and another rolling road print out shows 208bhp!

try some bigger wheels.

[crazycage]

Originally Posted by d4 rst

Hi luke at enhanced performance is makeing me a custom inlet so i can get some more bhp out of the car keep up the good work luke 300bhp+ yep.

have you got a pic of your inlet and price ?

[d4 rst]

Originally Posted by crazycage

have you got a pic of your inlet and price ?

SOON.

[Rob_DOHC]

isnt this an intersting thread, could some pls tell me how you would get 170mph+++ out of a stage 2 gearbox i know it has stronger gears and a better diff but the gear ratio is still the same as the standard gearbox ? correct me if im wrong, my car hits the limiter at 6,700rpm doing 156mph this is as accurate as i can tell you on 15" wheels so i do know how you would get the extra 14mph at them gear ratios-

8000rpm should do it lol

I would be very suprised if your car will pull 156 as it stands anyway, so 170 maybe a bit optimistic. Have a good read through this thread and you will find a very meticulously build s2 with 350 brake pulling high 160's...........

Rob,

[turboboss]

Originally Posted by trooper1991

isnt this an intersting thread, could some pls tell me how you would get 170mph+++ out of a stage 2 gearbox i know it has stronger gears and a better diff but the gear ratio is still the same as the standard gearbox ? correct me if im wrong, my car hits the limiter at 6,700rpm doing 156mph this is as accurate as i can tell you on 15" wheels so i do know how you would get the extra 14mph at them gear ratios- again please tell me how, also just to clear a thing up harvey gibbs no longer has a rolling road just an engine dyno?????
also i had 233bhp rolling road print out on one dyno - not sure which one and another rolling road print out shows 208bhp!

bigger wheels and more power which peaks over 7000rpm could try a taller final drive like a 3.58 diesel gear but if the car a cvh you might lack the torque no problem with a 16v zetec or zvh

[trooper1991]

Originally Posted by Rob_DOHC

8000rpm should do it lol

I would be very suprised if your car will pull 156 as it stands anyway, so 170 maybe a bit optimistic. Have a good read through this thread and you will find a very meticulously build s2 with 350 brake pulling high 160's...........

Rob,

tbh i cannot tell you weather it is pulling 156 or not this is what "thegearboxman" told me with my tyre sizes and the rpm i was at because he worked it out