For those interested in MegaSquirt EFI...

[Karlos G]

Here is everything you need to do the conversion! Complete EFI inelt manifold and sensors. Astra VXR 480cc injectors for up to around 220bhp, Siemens Deka IV 630cc injectors for more than that. Zetec Coil Pack, Supressor, FRST Plug Leads. 36-1 Trigger wheel, VR Sensor (or EFI Flywheel/CPS and EFI block, or drilled MFI block) Fuel hose (Filter to rail, and return). EFI Vacuum hose to Master Cylinder. MFI to EFI head adapter plate, and gaskets. MegaSquirt MS2 Extra V3.57, and loom. FRST EFi Throttle Cable. 5/8 Take off for CC pipe to ICV. Dizzy blanking core plug (not pictured as it's arriving at my local Ford dealer tomorrow). MFI to EFI pedal modification. Total Cost was £675, you could save yourself about £95 by getting second hand plug leads, throttle cable, and not buying braided fuel hose, bringing it down to £580, and even more money if you want to use other second hand injectors! Plug wiring diagram for standard Inlet assembly loom! Saves chopping all the individual connectors and allows you to just unplug the entire Inlet assembly in one go! Coolant and Air Temp Sensor setting for MS using standard Ford XR2i/XR3i EFI sensors! Air: 5C........ 71900 36C...... 18300 100C..... 1900 Coolant: 5C........ 71900 36C...... 18300 100C..... 2000 FRST Air Temp Sensors are different and are as follows.. 4c....... 5000 36c..... 1345 100..... 170 Hopefully will be fitting by the weekend at the latest!

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[A10SAP]

nice mate, i got a tea towel like that too

[Karlos G]

lol it's not a tea towel any more....... it's rag!

[A10SAP]

lmao i turned loads of hand towels into drying rags or for wiping my hands lol, so this conversion why is it done, is it because its just better then mfi?

[Karlos G]

Pretty much yes!
MFI cannot be mapped all that can be adjusted is the fuel pressure and static timing, going EFI means you can use brand new parts (sensors, injectors, wiring etc..) and gives you full control over your fuelling and ignition timing through out the rev range making the car more reliable, responsive, economical, and powerfull!

[A10SAP]

hmmmm economical i like the sound of that lol, mind u having a rs isnt good for someone looking for a job


i may look into saving for this conversion, looks easy enough to do

[rstel1]

good luck karlos, be good to see how it when its done

[Karlos G]

Cheers Tel, yes it will!

[studabear]

i'm looking forward to your findings on this karlos, should be very informative as per usual

[Rodreguez]

r u doing a guide to fit it? i've got most of the bits but got body work 2 do 1st!

[clarke5700]

hello mate is the pedal a direct fit then?

[bstuff]

675 seems expensive for what is a budget system, seeing if your not handy getting it fitted and then getting it mapped your talking big money

[crazycage]

Originally Posted by bstuff

675 seems expensive for what is a budget system, seeing if your not handy getting it fitted and then getting it mapped your talking big money

power and reliability don't come cheap

[bstuff]

no i know that but for that price with mapping on top it would be cheaper to go level 8 for instance.

[project rs]

have you stripped all the old wiring out of the loom yet to do with the mfi ? started the same conversion on mine last weekend when i ripped old motor out hopefully have it all in and running by this weekend if all goes to plan

[andy130]

who makes the loom up mate? can u run antilag ect?

[darrenb16two]

Let us no how it all goes karlos. Im gonna do this on mine eventually, got bodywork to do first though

[Garage19]

Originally Posted by bstuff

no i know that but for that price with mapping on top it would be cheaper to go level 8 for instance.

Think about it. For an L8 conversion, what off karls shopping list wouldnt you have to buy apart from the MS ecu? And then you would have to buy an L8.

Can't see it being any cheaper at all.

[xr2wishy]

good guide, you can use any injectors with megasquirt, so don't hold back to a certain type.
also you can modify the coil pack to use escort rs turbo leads using an 8mm drill bit in the holes from the coil pack to leads and cutting the plastic back on the outer case of the coil pack for the leads, that'll save a few quid if you already have good leads.

[xr2wishy]

Originally Posted by bstuff

no i know that but for that price with mapping on top it would be cheaper to go level 8 for instance.

the point is with a wideband afr meter, and a laptop you can map it yourself within a few hours, saving a fortune for every little upgrade.
i'm using megasquirt II v3.0 on my xr2 zvh turbo, easy to map IMO, just time consuming

[Karlos G]

Originally Posted by studabear

i'm looking forward to your findings on this karlos, should be very informative as per usual

Cheers!

Originally Posted by Rodreguez

r u doing a guide to fit it? i've got most of the bits but got body work 2 do 1st!

There really isnt much to tell other than bolt it all on and plug it all in! Just follow the wiring diagrams.

Originally Posted by clarke5700

hello mate is the pedal a direct fit then?

It's my MFI pedal with a small plate welded on the end to use the EFI cable.

Originally Posted by bstuff

675 seems expensive for what is a budget system, seeing if your not handy getting it fitted and then getting it mapped your talking big money

If you shop around mate you'll see thats not the case at all, and like I said you can save money by getting bits second hand and bring it down to around £500!!

Originally Posted by crazycage

power and reliability don't come cheap

Thats very true!

Originally Posted by project rs

have you stripped all the old wiring out of the loom yet to do with the mfi ? started the same conversion on mine last weekend when i ripped old motor out hopefully have it all in and running by this weekend if all goes to plan

It's my daily drive so have not done anything yet, will be swapping it all over in a day! But i'll be leaving the old wiring in and just taping it back out the way.

Originally Posted by andy130

who makes the loom up mate? can u run antilag ect?

Basic loom comes with the MS, but you have to fit all connectors, and heat shrink it etc.. No dont think it supports ALS, but it does have launch control and boost control!

Originally Posted by Garage19

Think about it. For an L8 conversion, what off karls shopping list wouldnt you have to buy apart from the MS ecu? And then you would have to buy an L8.

Can't see it being any cheaper at all.

Spot on there!!

[Rick]

ALS is coming soon with the MS3 chip once angle clock code is complete.

[juffer]

have you got the finnis number for the throttle cable? is it FRST?

[Karlos G]

Originally Posted by juffer

have you got the finnis number for the throttle cable? is it FRST?

Yes and............ Yes!
FINIS 1664712

[studabear]

Karlos, after reading this lot last night and my mate also reading it who's into electronics we are now between us planning on the same conversion for my cabrio over the winter months, my mate has already fitted mega squirt to his own car (1.6 16v astra 1997) just for a little project of his own, he also added bluetooth to the system and has a pda for displaying info or can connect to his laptop, He reckons it will be a lot easier to do my turbo.

He reckons we should use a wideband lambda sensor on the system to aid mapping ease, he also mentioned fuel pump which brings a question you may be able to answer

Is the standard erst fuel pump up to the job?

So now my shopping list begins, I will be keping a close eye on your progress.

I'm also hoping I can sell a few of my old mfi bits to recoup some costs after conversion as its all in great order with no running issues

[Antti O]

I have std rs turbo fuel pump, car is running 0.9 bar of boost with no any sign of pump problems.
I have wideband lambda sensor too, it is "must" thing with megasquirt.

[Karlos G]

For anyone that might need it............
Plug wiring diagram for standard Inlet assembly loom! Saves chopping all the individual connectors and allows you to just unplug the entire Inlet assembly in one go!

[Karlos G]

Originally Posted by studabear

Karlos, after reading this lot last night and my mate also reading it who's into electronics we are now between us planning on the same conversion for my cabrio over the winter months, my mate has already fitted mega squirt to his own car (1.6 16v astra 1997) just for a little project of his own, he also added bluetooth to the system and has a pda for displaying info or can connect to his laptop, He reckons it will be a lot easier to do my turbo.

He reckons we should use a wideband lambda sensor on the system to aid mapping ease, he also mentioned fuel pump which brings a question you may be able to answer

Is the standard erst fuel pump up to the job?

So now my shopping list begins, I will be keping a close eye on your progress.

I'm also hoping I can sell a few of my old mfi bits to recoup some costs after conversion as its all in great order with no running issues

Good man!

Standard pump is more than up to the job it runs 6 bar on a MFI RS and you only run 3 bar for this EFI setup
WB Lambda would be great, it saves sticking one up the arse of your exhaust and using a seperate gauge! I just have not got one to save costs and Doug who is mapping it with me has one.
I will get one in the future though, as coupling that with some Det Cans gives you all you need to tune your RS!

[xr2wishy]

rs turbo fuel pump would be fine for up to around 250bhp, after that fit a cossie external one, that'll run 300bhp.
as for wideband, i highly recommend it, how do you know what's happening without one.
also you'll need a lambda anyhow for the ecu to make it run nicely and not too lean/rich on low revs.

[Karlos G]

Just so people who are considering MS conversion dont get the wrong idea, you do not NEED a WB Lambda so long as who ever is mapping it for you has one (obviously ), the car will run just fine as long as it has been mapped well!

[Antti O]

Karlos

I recommend wideband lambda, because it is pretty cheap life insurance for your engine. 120£ for innovate kit is not bad, or is it? I often make some little tuning and adjustments for my rs turbo program and i always do need wb lambda. Best thing in megasquirt is that you can map and tweak program when you want and little modifications such as cam timing or exhaust may change how engine works and need some mapping. Would you take it _every time_ in expensive mapper when you change something in your car? Second thing is that megasquirt runs nice in closed loop mode, megasquirt do read wb lambda all the time and you can adjust how much is lambda authority to adjust, i have 7% EGO mixture correction adjusted when engine is warm. All modern cars run with ego correction in roads, why should we not take that option?
Even if you have really sharp mapped program, there is always some closed loop tweaking and you can adjust target areas in different driving style. Basically i have 15 afr target when driving easily in highway. Then if i put a little throttle and boost say 120kpa there is something like 13.5 afr and if i floor it and put 200 psi pressure in to manifold there is 12.5 afr. Get the idea? That is important thing in fuel economy. My rs turbo runs 5 litres / 100 km when driving easily. 56MPG

I hope you all folks can understand something about my bad english essee

[Karlos G]

Yes I agree it's a great idea to have one and I understand fully the advantages and will fit one when money allows! I was just pointing out to everyone that to keep initial conversion costs down it is not needed.

[robrs2]

Hope you got the MS set up for what your running. Just been trying to set one up on a Zetec turbo Its been almost 3 years since i set one up and there a pain

[Karlos G]

lol a base map is being put together as we speak! The rest of the settings are pretty simple to grasp if you read the documentation that came with it!

[jammy86]

I was ready to run my FRST on MS about 9 months ago. Had to put the standard ECU back in as I was moving 450 miles away and I've never got around to putting it back in, mainly due to lack of a decent base map.

If you suceed in getting yours going, would you be willing to share your early maps? Ignition map was my real concern.

What volume do the astra injectors flow?

Cheers
JAmes.

[Karlos G]

Yes mate of course!
Although IMO the ignition map is the easiest of the two to write, especially for a base map where your setting are conservative.
The VXR Injectors are 475cc I believe thats at 3bar but not 100% sure.

[studabear]

will you share base map with me too please karlos???

Also what trigger wheel set up are you using, looking at the picture is it a universal wheel attached to a pulley, is it welded to the pulley? and is it a homemade cps position bracket? is this going to be attached to the cambelt cover or something else. I should be ordering a lot of my parts in the next couple of weeks

[robrs2]

Just got some Zetec turbo maps off the net, but can't find where i got them now.

[Chris69]

Nice one karlos good to see somebody listing down wot there doing- if my RST sees another chapter next year no doubt i'll be picking your brain on MS

[Karlos G]

Originally Posted by studabear

will you share base map with me too please karlos???

Also what trigger wheel set up are you using, looking at the picture is it a universal wheel attached to a pulley, is it welded to the pulley? and is it a homemade cps position bracket? is this going to be attached to the cambelt cover or something else. I should be ordering a lot of my parts in the next couple of weeks

lol Yes mate of course!
It is indeed a universal trigger wheel welded to the pulley (centered and then 2 dowels put through with the ends welded), and yes it's a home made bracket for the VR sensor and uses one of the oil pump bolts to hold it in place.

Originally Posted by robrs2

Just got some Zetec turbo maps off the net, but can't find where i got them now.

Would need a lot of tweaking to work on a CVH, it's only 8v remember so flow characteristics are completely different, and a 1.6, and i'm using 475cc injectors which is pretty non standard too, I would guess most people use beiges?!

Originally Posted by Chris69

Nice one karlos good to see somebody listing down wot there doing- if my RST sees another chapter next year no doubt i'll be picking your brain on MS