Chopshop85

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Is there any technique to fitting these?

Im on my 2nd one in 1000 miles due to leaking!

Micky

Stick the gasket to the sump,leave to set for a hour,then fit sump to block.Worked for me and a few other RST people on here.Regards,Micky

Chopshop85

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ok i shall give that a try.

thanks.

cressy

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just take your time mate i used hammerite gasket seal as well only a small amount on the sump and block.just a word of warning it did take me 5 times till i was rightGOOD LUCK LOL

Chris69

i carefully applied sealant to the sump and block face, sandwiched the gasket in there and it seems ok at the moment- A lot better than it was trying it dry thats for sure!

Chopshop85

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Yeah i always knew these sump gaskets where trial and error. Tried one technique already, and that sort of failed. instead of one big leak i got 3 little ones! lol

Karlos G

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Glue to the block then fit sump, and very importantly dont overtighten the bolts!! Use some threadlock on them.

orion_crazy_carl

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get a decent gasket to!

Christian and Beccy

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I say this EVERY time. DON'T use a Ford gasket. Use a Payen one.

B1G_RST

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take the engine out and do it upside down, lol,, mines aint leaked yet haha

Chopshop85

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thats how it was done. still ended up leaking

Danster76

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I'm in the same boat as you mate. Engines just been rebuilt so first time out was fitted upside down as it were in perfect conditions. LEAKED.

I've now done it 4 times today on a ramp. Been on it all day! and used 4 Payen gaskets.

Thought I'd finally cracked it this afternoon but have just taken it out for a drive and she's weeping again!

If you work out the nack let me know! lol

Chopshop85

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lol they can be a right bstard to get right!. Im gonna give it a bash 2moro as i couldnt get the gasket till 5pm today. so i'll have to see what happens.

Danster76

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What method are you going to opt for? I'm going to try sticking gasket to block first then offering sump up as my next attempt.

What are people views on torqing bolts? I've tried 5nm and 8nm and nipping up by hand without torque wrench.
Nipping by hand has had best effect (last attempt) and as is. Best effort so far with only a few drips. Glued gasket lightly to sump on this last attempt using superglue.

haz87

Took me 6 times to get right! Admittedly i could have lived with the 4th and 5th attempt but it would have bugged me that there was the tiniest of weeps from the g/box end
It really is the worst job on a CVH

Danster76

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I'm probably where you were on your 4.5th attempt!
Share the knowledge?

haz87

I glued the gasket to the sump and put a thin layer of sealan at either end of the sump (the half moons). I then left this for 30 mins so it was nigh on dry but had a bit of movement in it. Then tightened the bolts finger tight (went around them a few times each) followed by a quick tweak with a socket

Lasted 6 months so far. Will probably start leaking as of tomorow now i've said that

Chris Latham

Me too Christian

Dont use the Ford Gasket, Use a Payen one

I have sold loads and top feedback from them all

nigel b

i leave the engine to drain of oil overnight
degrease the block
fit gasket with a smear of sealant
i use fiat sealant

Danster76

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Anyone torquing up as per the book i.e. 5-8nm?

orion_crazy_carl

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if ya getting a leak from the box end, u lot sure it aint ur seal gone rather then the sump gasket?

Christian and Beccy

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Is the end plate level on the crank? That can upset the rear main seal.

orion_crazy_carl

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yep, u dont want to upset it, it gets proper fookin moody

Danster76

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Yep, level. Using a 'new' non genuine sump which looks right enough.
Just been out for a 40 mile running in blat and is now sat in the garage dripping on the floor, looks to be coming from oil pump end and front and rear

Think i'll come back to it in a few days or book it in and make it someone elses problem but don't really want to be beaten by this!!

JesseT

They usually fail because of too much crankcase pressure. It's vital to cure that first.

About the fitting of the gasket; a sump that has been overthightened once in its lifetime is going to give trouble. It first requires some careful reshaping or just a new sump.

Puss2

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I did mine 2-3 times before i got it right. I stuck the gasket to the sump with a small bit of super glue at different places and left it for a couple of days as i didnt want to do it

I used a ford gasket and its been fine.

nickrsturbo1990

im on my 3rd attempt this week goin for the 4th 2moz and still leaking arrrghgh everytime i try nd get it up it pushes to 1 side

RAT8OY

They are hateful bastard things!

As my paved driveway will tell you! The CVH is a truely shit engine!

dave_y

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I have recently done mine, mine kept leaking from cambelt end, turned out that it was the crank oil seal. Looks exactly like sump gasket failure.

When doing the sump gasket make sure you get the gearbox ends on properly, fit the sump then look up through the bolt holes so that you can see its aligned and the gasket hasnt been pushed in to the sump.

I do mine by super glueing the gasket to the sump. Bit of sealant on the half moon sections.

A right pain but it is do-able.

Oh yeah and i recommend the FORD GASKET

this is a pretty good guide

https://passionford.com/forum/ford-f...mp-gasket.html

Mk1-stu

anyone got any suggestions as to re-tapping 4 of the bolts ? 1 next to the flywheel at the back, 1 next to the crank pulley the other end same side and two on the front by the startermotor Gonna have to do it insitu too which is going to be a total fucking nightmare

andy130

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is payen gasket rubber aswel

Danster76

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Payen gasket is the one to use and yes its rubber.

MunkeyboyRS

Hi all.
I just got a rubber rocker cover gaskit and a mate told to to use the cork one, as it settles better, as i also have a sump to fit to this engine, is the cork one better for the sump than a rubber one?

Christian and Beccy

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Nope. I use a standard Rocker Cover gasket (Ford) and a Payen Sump gasket.

Chopshop85

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+1

MunkeyboyRS

It the standard ford one cork or rubber on something else?

marky_g

handy info i gotta change my sump soon

Chris Latham

Series 1 had the 4 piece sump gasket set, 2 strips of cork and orange rubber half moons. Series 2 had the one piece rubber gasket. Regarding the rockercover gasket it should be a cork one but it has been known for people to use the 1.8 CVH Sierra one which is rubber and more sustainable to oil etc

gingerturbo

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i think i must of got lucky i did mine first time, i sprayed the sump with brake cleaner and gunk to clean it, and use a little bit of flange sealent to stick the gasket to the sump and used the old bolts to line the holes up, left it for half an hour then put it on, did it hand tight using new bolt with locktite on em then gave em all a quick 90 degree turn, and aint had no leaks

xr2wishy

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pretty much as i have done them in the past, patience seems to be key to this task.