Metal Clutch Quadrants

[Micky]

Good man Nigel! Keep us updated.And vrooooooooooooom pttttsssssshhhhhhhhh,you know you need one,put youre name on the list!!! Regards,Micky

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[Andy-ywk]

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[macrs]

Hi guys..
Please put me down for one too!! Just to clarify, for this replacement quadrant do I also need the MK5 adjustable pedal??

Thanks!!





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[nigel b]

macrs
yes you do
i think they are about £20
long time since i bought one

[macrs]

hi nigel b

Thanks for the reply.. No worries with that....i'll pinch the one off my mams MK7 Ha,ha,ha,ha!!

I'll defo have one though..
Thanks again

[juffer]

cant you have them made out of steel one make it cheeper for every one instead of alloy.
juffer

[SafeChav]

Any indication as to when these will be manufactured? I could possibly be interested in one.....

[dave_y]

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[nigel b]

SafeChav
hopefully we can get the machine running again very soon

were waiting for the material to turn up at the moment
all drawn up and the program is ready
just waiting on our electronics guy to repair the last board

juffer
we could make them out of steel very easily
if we chose say en3a or b it would be cheaper to buy the material but take longer to machine
it will rust as being only mild steel
it will be heavier

[Johnny Knoxville]

A mate of mine had the same problem with the quadrant and ended up doing this



No chance of anything breaking and it also make it a lighter pedal feel

[juffer]

"we could make them out of steel very easily
if we chose say en3a or b it would be cheaper to buy the material but take longer to machine
it will rust as being only mild steel
it will be heavier "

would it make the pedal feel much heaver tho?
and that would be the last thing i would worry about rusting, owning a car that is 18 years old . also isn't the cable steel?

[nigel b]

juffer
seeing as you seem like you want a steel one,maybe your tight and think it would be cheaper i dunno
ill make you a steel one
remember the manufacturing costs will be more

the steel cable on the clutchj is shrouded so would only rust/seize if it had alot of water on it

[juffer]

yeah i am tight isn't everyone? i don't want one i was only asking, just curios that's all. everyone seem to be on there high horse

[Bric-a-brac]

all right evry body i cannot get any gears because iv got gout sod the car

[SWITCHBLADE]

youve got what ????.

[Bric-a-brac]

gout cannot press clutch left foot swollen like a pig no more beer

[nigel b]

get a passenger to do the clutch for you

[SafeChav]

Originally Posted by Johnny Knoxville

A mate of mine had the same problem with the quadrant and ended up doing this



No chance of anything breaking and it also make it a lighter pedal feel

With all due respect, that steering column support has had some serious hacking done i wouldnt fancy driving the car too hard with that? and surely with the location of that cylinder that must be a right arse to bleed??

bet the clutch feels and works nice though

[MarkXr]

With all due respect, that steering column support has had some serious hacking done i wouldnt fancy driving the car too hard with that? and surely with the location of that cylinder that must be a right arse to bleed??

bet the clutch feels and works nice though

Your just being jealous that you don't have an Escort with height adustable steering wheel.

But it's a very nice solution to the problem, going hydraulic....

[Johnny Knoxville]

Originally Posted by SafeChav

With all due respect, that steering column support has had some serious hacking done i wouldnt fancy driving the car too hard with that? and surely with the location of that cylinder that must be a right arse to bleed??

bet the clutch feels and works nice though

I've sat in the car and thought the same thing but it isn't that bad as he's put brace's on it since that pic and its a load stronger

You don't bleed it from that master cylinder as the blue tail is the input feed for the fluid with a remote reservoir thats under the bonnet and the other is the output that has a feed that runs along the back of the dash out the bulk head and to the slave cylinder on the box

Feels like a 950 fiesta pop clutch, very very light with a good feel even if he's got a 4 paddle clutch with a heavy duty cover

[SWITCHBLADE]

how on earth can ya change a cable operated clutch, with a fork, to operate via hydraulics ????. trick idea. i gather the height of the pedal is adjustable too ????.

dave

[Moonie]

You would also need a hydraulic slave cylinder set up either to operate the standard clutch arm or a concentric slave cylinder to replace the release bearing and the maching work carried out to fit it.

I persume pedal height would be adjusted by altering the length of the master cylinder rod at the top of the pedal.

[Bric-a-brac]

stil got gout but crossed my legs haho get gears now all ' ok

[Johnny Knoxville]

Originally Posted by Moonie

You would also need a hydraulic slave cylinder set up either to operate the standard clutch arm or a concentric slave cylinder to replace the release bearing and the maching work carried out to fit it.

I persume pedal height would be adjusted by altering the length of the master cylinder rod at the top of the pedal.

Just use a pull slave from wilwood

The pedal height is adjustable

[SWITCHBLADE]

mate, any chance of more clear pics of whats involved for the conversion, maybe even some sort of guide ????. i really like the idea of having a hydraulic clutch.

dave.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Sorry mate no clear pics

Andrew said to me that its not that hard really as long as you get the pedal and lever ratios right and use a master cylinder the same size as the slave then you can't really go wrong

[R6Franky]

Any joy on the quadrant front?

[Johnny Knoxville]

My mate that has done the hydraulic clutch conversion said he can make the quadrants if this fails?

[miller318i]

Yes Please!

[jonnyrsturbo]

so when and how much are the quads

[R6Franky]

bump... another 9days. Any joy?

[nigel b]

my mate wasnt in work today
hopefully he will be in tommorow
the 1 last circuit board he was waiting for has apparently turned up

[nigel b]

hopefully we should have the first one off over the weekend now the machine is running again

[R6Franky]

nice one.... I've got first dibs on it!!

[jonnyrsturbo]

sounds goooooooooooooooooooooooood

[MarkXr]

Originally Posted by nigel b

hopefully we should have the first one off over the weekend now the machine is running again

So do you have a box full of nice alloy quadrants now?

Keep us informed and when the production line is running send one over to me......

[nigel b]

right weve got the first one off
ive got to make the bush tonight and hopefully have it fitted

[rstdave]

Cool....looks very trick that mate!!!! When do you reckon you'll be knockin some more up cos i'll deffo have one off ya as soon as possible! How much u wanting for one? Pm me the details if ya want.
Cheers,
Dave.

[nigel b]

got to finish putting the cable on tommorow night and check to see if it works alright
they will be £40 delivered

i need to know a couple of pedal heights off people that still have the standard clutch and brake pedals
if someone could measure from the floor to the edge of the pedal rubber on both please

[MarkXr]

Right after all this time I've had a bright moment and came up with the following:

When an AP clutch is installed you need the Escort Mk5-6-7 pedal quadrant for the simple reason that the radius of such a piece is bigger than the original Mk4 quadrant and therefore you will gain the needed extra travel on your clutch cable.
If you use an original Mk4 quadrant, the clutch won't release fully and changing gears can become an arse.

So far so good but the simple fact that the setup which AP recommends (ie. using a Mk5 quadrant and pedal in a Mk4) is very weak and the quadrants tend to snap leaving you with no clutch at the side of the road. (happened to me twice)

"We" are at the moment trying to make up alloy quadrants because alloy is much stronger than plastic. This would be a good solution.

However, I have thought of another solution. Why don't we just shorten the clutch release arm on the gearbox a bit. That way you will get exactly the same as with a Mk5 quadrant, more travel on your release bearing. Because the original Mk4 setup is tested for more than 10 years and found okay, we could just stick with that.

By solving the problem this way we are not depended on CNC machinery and professors who know how to use these. Just think about it. It's the same as the "gears" on a bicycle. Changing to a larger diameter front gear is exactly the same as changing to a smaller diameter rear gear!

Hasn't anyone thought of this before or do you guys think I'm talking crap?!?

Next week I'm going to poland on a holiday for a few days, so no time for testing any of this, but when I'm back i'm going to calculate how much I have to shorten the release arm. And then try it out!!!!

For the time being, just let me (and the rest of us) know how YOU think about this solution........

And if anyone of you knows the radius of a Mk5 quadrant and the radius of a Mk4 quadrant, please post it here, it will help me out in the calculating bit......! Thank you!