T3 turbo on small turbo escos

[liamford]

hi guys, just wondering has anyone put a t3 turbo on they're small turbo cossies, when i bought mine it had an engine rebuild with low comp pistons, but the rest of the managment was never changed or the turbo, im burning thru turbo's pretty quick because i imagine it is trying hard to fill the now increased engines volume, do you think the t3 turbo would solve this? as it wouldnt have to run as hard? also would the fueling have to be increased with this turbo? it has a ggr 305 chip in the car... cheers liam

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[tarmac terriost]

if it is running 305set up, the std t25 should be good for that spec, shouldn't be burning out turbo's the rate your are think you should get someone to look at it for you may simpley just need setting up.
you might want to check the oil lines to the turbo make sure there's no sworf in the lines causing it to fail.
which oil are you running in it ?
when your are running the car take it you let it warm up and and warm down properly etc not telling you how to suck eggs

might also be worth getting a uprated t25 or a t34 turbo with 360dec and stronger shaft
also a turbo cooler from airtec might also help make the turbo last a bit longer

might also be worth giving stu and msd a shout !!

[liamford]

im just wondering tho because of the low compresion pistons the turbo is having to work harder to fill the amont of volume of air, i think the oil i had was from ford, 5w / 30, i would have to check, what oil would you recommend?

[wilky]

has your turbo got the bigger comp wheel fitted this may help as will not have to work as hard [the size is the same as a 4x4 coss wheel]

[liamford]

i dono to behonest mate, the one thats on there is a t28 i think, but im putting a t3 off a 4x4 saff on there insted, see how that goes, i didnt kno if i could fit a t34 without having to adjust all the fueling and stuff, because im limited with the seimens managment..?

[tarmac terriost]

should not be running it on 5w30 !! to thin a oil for it
should be 5w40 or 15w40
if it is the std turbo should be running a t25 not t28 less been upgraded
dont think running lower comp pistons would make much of a difference to the turbo just alouds you to run slight more boost etc

surgest you change the oil check all the oil lines to the turbo (make sure no bits of metal or debree in the line cos it wont last long if there is) and get the car set up properly

and like mentioned by wilky get the turbo spec by turbo specialist and give it the once over and upgrade any parts if nessacessary

(sorry bout the spelling )

why dont you have a chat to stu at motorsport developments see if he can guide you

www.motorsport-developments.co.uk or 1253 508400 blackpool

[ECOS95]

I run 10w50 in my ST Escort Cos (50K on the clock), even from new the Escort Cos should run 5w50.

I wouldn't spend any more money on it until you've spoken to a trusted tuner as you'll just throw good money after bad if you don't. Better to go through the spec that you have with Stu as mentioned & see what he suggests you do.

[wilky]

also i think you may have a problem with you down pipe i'am sure the pitch of the three bolts are different [4x4 may be a bit wider or the other way around i did have to machine
some before but was ages ago]

i have a t3 exhaust and t25 here i'll have a quike look and i have a bigger comp wheel
in a t25 i'll get some pics

[cossie daz]

hi there,

my small turbo cossie has t3 on it , was fitted before i bought it .

The car has a MSD chip and ive spoke to someone at MSD and said they never done a chip for ST car with T3

ive been told to go back to a small turbo rather than T3

[liamford]

Originally Posted by wilky

also i think you may have a problem with you down pipe i'am sure the pitch of the three bolts are different [4x4 may be a bit wider or the other way around i did have to machine
some before but was ages ago]

i have a t3 exhaust and t25 here i'll have a quike look and i have a bigger comp wheel
in a t25 i'll get some pics

so would i have to change the down pipe? or what machining would be required to the down pipe?

[wilky]

Originally Posted by liamford

so would i have to change the down pipe? or what machining would be required to the down pipe?

you have to elonggate the bolt holes on the down pipe i did check

[liamford]

ok cheers mate

[NonCustom]

Originally Posted by cossie daz

hi there,

my small turbo cossie has t3 on it , was fitted before i bought it .

The car has a MSD chip and ive spoke to someone at MSD and said they never done a chip for ST car with T3

ive been told to go back to a small turbo rather than T3

MSD keeps promising upgrades for ST engines on EEC management, will they ever arrive?

Wouldnt put a T3 on a low compression build, regardless of GGR 305, they were designed for completely standard engines.....

Time to change to W/M management IMO.........., agree with liam, too many gasses with not enough fuel/ A/F ratio...........

Bigger turbo will only make it worse............

EEC spot on for that yeras engine/blower.....GGR305 fine if standard

[j6kyt]

Originally Posted by ECOS95

I run 10w50 in my ST Escort Cos (50K on the clock), even from new the Escort Cos should run 5w50.

I wouldn't spend any more money on it until you've spoken to a trusted tuner as you'll just throw good money after bad if you don't. Better to go through the spec that you have with Stu as mentioned & see what he suggests you do.

I spoke to harvey at scs in peterborough about chipping my st escos and he said to me that if you chip the st escos the turbo will need a 360 degree thrust bearing because the increased boost winds the guts out of them.

[ECOS95]

Originally Posted by j6kyt

I spoke to harvey at scs in peterborough about chipping my st escos and he said to me that if you chip the st escos the turbo will need a 360 degree thrust bearing because the increased boost winds the guts out of them.

Heard the same thing, the standard turbo is on the limit with out the chip

[tarmac terriost]

i wonder if is was possible if stu could do a write up on this for his fast ford colum would be very intresting and use for info

[liamford]

i kno i will prob get a big f@#k off, and tell me dont be stupid, but what if you put a big enough resistor in the air temp sensor, to mimic the air temp as 'cold as f'#k' so that the car will fuel more and with the t3 turbo suppling more air to my lowp comp engine as an easy temporary fix, untill i drum up enough cash for an ecu change? just a thought.... :-s

[sailorbob]

Originally Posted by liamford

what if you put a big enough resistor in the air temp sensor, to mimic the air temp as 'cold as f'#k' so that the car will fuel more

This will cause you to loose power, if ACT's are below 10 deg C or above 58 deg C then the boost is reduced in the standard eec-iv.

Why don't you ask MSD how much to tune your car? It'll be easier than an ecu swap and could be cheaper.

[cossieDavedree]

why was it rebuilt as low comp? I suppose more power was planned but never carried out. Should of been left as standard.

Do you know what boost your car is peaking and holding?

[ECOS95]

Originally Posted by sailorbob

Why don't you ask MSD how much to tune your car? It'll be easier than an ecu swap and could be cheaper.

Where's the fun it that ?? Far better to spend lots of money in a vain hope of fixing the problem by devine guidance.

[Gary F]

I'd speak to a proper tuner mate.

[liamford]

ill prob give msd a ring, but i didnt think they can tune the small turbo's, thats why many carry out ecu changes, yeah the work to the engine was done before i bought the car incase in future it was decided to go big turbo, but i think it would have been better to leave standard.

[ECOS95]

Originally Posted by liamford

ill prob give msd a ring, but i didnt think they can tune the small turbo's, thats why many carry out ecu changes, yeah the work to the engine was done before i bought the car incase in future it was decided to go big turbo, but i think it would have been better to leave standard.

Stu knows his stuff on the ST, I'll be going to him once Wil's car is mapped. Stock ECU & 400BHP + hopefully (Wil's not mine).

[MarkN]

Originally Posted by ECOS95

Stu knows his stuff on the ST, I'll be going to him once Wil's car is mapped. Stock ECU & 400BHP + hopefully (Wil's not mine).

Me too - but I now have my doubts that this will ever happen. Loads of dates have been floated but they come and go and no more progress is made. I don't think this has moved for a couple of years now.

I posted up that MSD could borrow my car in desperation to move this forward, but got no response.

Very frustrating for us small turbo owners - hanging on the promise of this for so long :-(

[ECOS95]

Originally Posted by MarkN

Me too - but I now have my doubts that this will ever happen. Loads of dates have been floated but they come and go and no more progress is made. I don't think this has moved for a couple of years now.

I posted up that MSD could borrow my car in desperation to move this forward, but got no response.

Very frustrating for us small turbo owners - hanging on the promise of this for so long :-(

I know what you mean, it will be great when its ready but it has been a good few yrs.

I think Wils car is close to if not ready to go to MSD. Not seen Wil on the Escort Cos forum for a while though.

[THE RADMAN]

Originally Posted by MarkN

Me too - but I now have my doubts that this will ever happen. Loads of dates have been floated but they come and go and no more progress is made. I don't think this has moved for a couple of years now.

I posted up that MSD could borrow my car in desperation to move this forward, but got no response.

Very frustrating for us small turbo owners - hanging on the promise of this for so long :-(

ive totally given up on that one,and mines staying as it is now,cheaper insurance,more reliable and cheaper fuel bills,itll prob be another 2 yrs and still nowhere

[sailorbob]

With only Will providing the vehicle and the cash it isn't surprising things are not moving along........

[MarkN]

Originally Posted by sailorbob

With only Will providing the vehicle and the cash it isn't surprising things are not moving along........

Er - I've previously offered to loan my car to get this moving as it never gets used over winter anyway, but didn't get a response.

I'll want to be putting it back on the road soon for spring so that's a lost opportunity. I'm not going to do without it in spring/summer when I've not driven it for ages...

[Stu @ M Developments]

Originally Posted by MarkN

Me too - but I now have my doubts that this will ever happen. Loads of dates have been floated but they come and go and no more progress is made. I don't think this has moved for a couple of years now.

I posted up that MSD could borrow my car in desperation to move this forward, but got no response.

Very frustrating for us small turbo owners - hanging on the promise of this for so long :-(

Hi Guys, sorry about the super long delay, it is very frustrating for us too. The reason we dont want to just jump on another car and start again is Wills ecu, fuel pump, injector upgrade and a few non disclosed tweaks etc are already done and all those parts we supplied and fitted are all still on his car awaiting its return to us.

[sailorbob]

My concern is that Will's new engine is quite different now and that's shifted the the goal away from what most people are looking for; i.e. T34 on LT ex. manifold with injectors to suit.

[MarkN]

Surely it can't be too much work to replicate what has been done so far onto another car and then finish it off? You've got to be able to reproduce it surely in order to sell it?

It looks like Will has got insufficient spare time available to get this sorted, - we've been waiting years for this. How much longer are you prepared to give him before allowing someone else to step in?

Cheers
Mark

[smila]

ive just got me a st escos and im wanting around 300bhp my cars only done 57k i had it on rollers the other day and it made 265bhp its just got apower engineering chip on at min msd can have my car as long as they want if it helps me and other st owners,ididnt realise how limited the tuning is for them i would have got me a big turbo one

[liamford]

yeah i didnt kno that till after i had mine...still shit loads of fun thought...think im gonna be getting rid of mine soon...fancy a noble m12