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Old 04-05-2007, 09:54 AM
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Default what can cause drive shaft rubbers to break all the time?

I ve this problem since I have my es cos....

the rubbers are dying after 500 - 1500 km latest.

sometimes just juming off, mostly breaking like in the pic.

its just the inner one on the driver side (left hand steering wheel)

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How low is it?
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17 inch rims
h&r adjustable coilovers

here s a pic:




I think its not too low, as it is not deeper than the rear arch, which is not adjustable.

the drive shafts are completly reworked by a specialist, on the passenger side there never have been a problem....
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Mine is MUCH lower than this, and I do lost of city driving with quiet a few turns and roundabouts, and I havent had ANY problems untill I fixed them not long ago (They where minimum 40.000km old.. without replacements)

Bad quality boots???

To much grease make them "blow" ??
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Mine too is slammed on H&R and TBH I did go through a batch of poor quality boots, that were always splitting. Now I haven't had a problem for years.....touch wood!!
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Engine mount ??
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Originally Posted by ECOS95
Engine mount ??
Good point, and extremely likely
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I had this problem on mine and it was the engine mount. It's the left hand mount under the inlet manifold that normally breaks. Then when you launch the car the engine moves and pulls the CV boot off. In some cases it pulls the drive shaft right out which then smashes the sump when the engine moves back into place
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Originally Posted by MarkN
I had this problem on mine and it was the engine mount. It's the left hand mount under the inlet manifold that normally breaks. Then when you launch the car the engine moves and pulls the CV boot off. In some cases it pulls the drive shaft right out which then smashes the sump when the engine moves back into place
Thats got to hurt !!
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Not the root cause of the problem, however, what is the angle of everyones drive shafts?


does anyone see this as a problem, especially when cornering hard and the inside wheel is jumping due to an uneven road surface.
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mine was due to a worn engine mount
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i had a few like that and i think it was down to cheap boots.
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the shafts on my 4be point upwards from the sump and i've never had to change one in almost 10 years (mind you, i've only driven the thing about 15k so it's not saying much )
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I seem to have the same problem, but all good motor mounts. Getting the boots here are impossible! I have spent too long trying to get boots and just cant. I have found a replacement for the front outer boots in which a 93-01 Jeep Grand Cherokee fits PERFECTLY. Plus they are loads cheaper and readily available.
anyone know of a replacement for the inners? Or where to get new ones?
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most prob engine mount,

replace them and the problem should be cured,

even if you test them by jacking engine up, they may not seem broken but it will be
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Originally Posted by mxquattro
I seem to have the same problem, but all good motor mounts. Getting the boots here are impossible! I have spent too long trying to get boots and just cant. I have found a replacement for the front outer boots in which a 93-01 Jeep Grand Cherokee fits PERFECTLY. Plus they are loads cheaper and readily available.
anyone know of a replacement for the inners? Or where to get new ones?
I used universal boot on mine. Works ok... and can be cut to fit different axel dimension, and ofcause cv joint. And these I are way cheaper than OE parts

Just a suggestion
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ok will test the mounts.

will oem ford ones cure the problem or do I need to got for hardcore vibratec mounts?

Please advise!!
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if you are going to spend the money go vibratech
the normal mounts are silicon filled or something to dampen the movement sliglty
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Originally Posted by - Sim -
ok will test the mounts.

will oem ford ones cure the problem or do I need to got for hardcore vibratec mounts?

Please advise!!
Just fitted Vibratech to mine, you will notice more vibration through the body but its worth it if you want to up the power. Fit & Forget.
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where can one get a vibratech mount?
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Matt Lewis Motorsport

Just ordered a set, hope it will cure everything!!! Soon
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Originally Posted by mxquattro
where can one get a vibratech mount?
Got mine off ebay.
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The new engine mounts did not arrive till now but we tried something today:

Put the car on a lift and then under 2 wheels big stones, so that the damper is fully compressed, here is the result:






you can feel the inner TRIPOID bearing. and now? Won't this be stressing the rubber all the time? Even with new engine mounts?

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and in the tacho thing bearing, where the shaft is put in, there is some play... perhaps this also makes a problem.
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Applies to sapphys but maybe escos too.....you can put an xr4x4 driveshaft in there, its slightly longer and holds out better on lowered cars.

It does look very steep in the pic.

Dan
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surely that angle is totally wrong on that shaft?
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