ellicoss

I have a small turbo escos and want more power ive seen MSD conversion but would like 400 bhp so apart from putting it on weber is there another way and what will it cost ie is ther a ecu where i can keep my loom etc

Carlsworth

well, i have no idea,....the best thing to do would be to speak direct to stu@msd

M.A.D.RST

Why would you want to keep your loom?

Autronic all the way

ellicoss

Didnt say i wanted to keep it was just wondering if you could buy a ecu that just plugs into your standerd loom what sort of money is involved in autronic cheers

rapidcossie

Kelv on here is selling an Autronic for 550 i think.

thats just the ECU tho.

tabetha

For that money you can get a ECU and loom, that is far bette than autronic, ie emerald.
tabetha

Arnie

why not just wait for Stu@MSD's T34 conversion? that way you can keep the ecu and loom. I'm sure 400bhp is acheivable with the eecIV when Stu works his magic

S1rst

Yep id definatly go down this route.

ECOS95

I'd wait for Stu. Especially as this can be done DIY.
Messing with ECU's you have to know what your up to, not fogetting the cost.

cossymad

I have OMEX on mine.
Works a treat and looks standard under the bonnet.
Oh and FRS injectors too

AJC

iTrader: (6)

rip out all the managment and throw in some super duper pectel thing

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

My car is going back very soon for "Phase 2" of the EEC IV tuning experiment Why would you want to pay £1000+ to DOWNGRADE to autronic from EEC IV??? A lot of people just spout off what they have been told previously, I'm sure STU@MSD will enlighten you as to why the EEC IV is such a good platform, adaptive fuelling and coilpack drivers as standard are just the tip of the iceberg Watch this space.....

ellicoss

Sounds good think i will wait then

ECOS95

What power did it make before Phase 2 ???
Just interested.

RWD_cossie_wil

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Stu recons a GENUINE 350BHP with the torque to match, it certanly felt quick , give MSD a ring and see if they are ready to sell the conversion yet

Gordon1

i would but omex 710 or 600 on that with no probs at all
and could use your loom if you wanted too as well

RWD_cossie_wil

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WHY??? absolutly pointless apart from wasting ££££ that could be spent elsewhere on the car

Gordon1

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Dan@Rapid-Ford

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no that don't sound expensive but neither is the traders fee and your not paying it

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

I didn't want to say anything....

and anyway, thats £685, PLUS the remap for the engine etc - and why DOWNGRADE the ECU?

escossie560

I understand what you say about downgrading as ford spent alot to develope this to put on as many cars in there range as possible . But the biggest issue with the remaps that are being sorted now are that they follow a predicable route same turbo,injectors ect ect its very old school ,pretty much the same as t4 greys remap,tuners like the same path as they can make maximum money............. aftermarket management may not offer quite the resolution but offers more flexabilty with features , im not sure but would assume eev 4 can not do w/i anti ,antilag, nos. so it must depend on the spec of you car if you want a safe 350 with t34 go with remap......then in 6 months when 350 is not enough sell the chip and get something that is truely flexable and does not tie you to one tuner




ps is it true the test car shit its self

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

ps is it true the test car shit its self-

Yes and No. The headgasket went, so nothing to do at all with MSD, just old age and the fact that the car has been running 350+ bhp on a standard 110,000 mile engine , but the good news is that the mapping side of things is absolutly perfect, and the 350 BHP conversion is nigh on ready to go



Car is having a rebuilt at the moment due to headgasket failure, and the fact that it has done 110,000 miles without a build, so it is well due a freshen up to prevent any damage before It happens. Also taking the oppertunity to slightly low-comp it, and prepeare it for 400+ BHP, and stick a decent gearbox and front diff in it

cossymad

Mine has ALS on omex 600, is fully mappable, and drives unbelievably. The car is still running the standard size T28 turbo and now has 367lbft.
The EEC4 has (until now?)never been able to have been hacked into, but there have always been other options to run that ECU and acheive more power, for example HKS AIC, Unichip piggyback ECU running an additional 4 injectors (one we called EEC4+4) .
The EEC4 is an immensly complex and advanced ecu, but with advances in engine management, I would hardly say the other options are a downgrade, more like a sidestep!!
The EEC4 has loads of features the omex doesn't, like immobiliser and coffee making facilities, whereas the omex can run NOS, ALS etc etc

ECOS95

I think people might be missing the point of this conversion, its to get the most out of the car with the minimum changes & cost. MSD have given people new options that will save them money @ that power level. If you want more than 350 bhp you'll have to change more than maybe just the ECU anyway.

P.S This isn't aimed at anyone before I get flamed.

Gordon1

so how much is it going to cost to get the std ecu re mapped or has that not been sorted yet

cossymad

Std chips have always been good for 300bhp, at £300 or so.
I have one for sale with ECU, but can't tell you that!!

ECOS95

Does anyone know if you can get away with the standard Head Gasket on the 350 BHP MSD conversion ??

RWD_cossie_wil

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Should be able to , depends on how many miles the car has done and the general condition of the engine..... If it's done high miles it might be worth doing it before you get the conversion done

GUZZLER

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Chris, do you know what power the FRS injectors are good for power wise?

ECOS95

Mines on 50K so here's hoping.