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Old 13-02-2007, 01:01 AM   #1
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ok im upping the power to something near 400BHP or im hoping to anyway!

I know that the head-gasket need uprating so i got a stronger multilayer one and a set of ARP studs and nuts for the job Question is do i need anything other than just the gasket and S/Nut Kit I.E. Grease lube ect and where do i get it

got a maram shafted GrpA T34 and throttle body to run antilag got my P8 that come with car obviously Question is what do i need now just to have some sort of chip put in my ECU to run anti lag or do i need to get it mapped up ect and if so how much is this normally

Also how much is it to get Air injectors mapped into my ECU anyone else had this done ect?

Morette Diamond Twin Headlight Lenses Anyone know where i can just get the lenses as i all ready have the outer casing

As i understand from all the reading i have been doing i know that for the power i want i know 3rd gear is gonna shit itself a bit lively that's if the standard clutch lets it Question is if i take the gearbox out does the engine have to come out or can it all be done from under the car?

why the box is out may as-well do the Clutch any suggestions on what clutch to get or what setup bearing in mind this is going top be used as an every day car

sorry for all the question better than doing loads of separate thread/topics thought i may as well just ask here all in one go
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Old 13-02-2007, 10:32 AM   #2
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Hey,

ok im upping the power to something near 400BHP or im hoping to anyway!

I know that the head-gasket need uprating so i got a stronger multilayer one and a set of ARP studs and nuts for the job Question is do i need anything other than just the gasket and S/Nut Kit I.E. Grease lube ect and where do i get it

No idea

got a maram shafted GrpA T34 and throttle body to run antilag got my P8 that come with car obviously Question is what do i need now just to have some sort of chip put in my ECU to run anti lag or do i need to get it mapped up ect and if so how much is this normally

Will need a Pectel ALS board from someone like Ahmed Bayjoo or Harvey Gibbs

Also how much is it to get Air injectors mapped into my ECU anyone else had this done ect?

Same people as above

Morette Diamond Twin Headlight Lenses Anyone know where i can just get the lenses as i all ready have the outer casing

Mikey Rainbird @ R&B Motorsport

As i understand from all the reading i have been doing i know that for the power i want i know 3rd gear is gonna shit itself a bit lively that's if the standard clutch lets it Question is if i take the gearbox out does the engine have to come out or can it all be done from under the car?

Gearbox can be taken out from underneath on its own

why the box is out may as-well do the Clutch any suggestions on what clutch to get or what setup bearing in mind this is going top be used as an every day car

I bought a AP 6 Paddle from Mikey Rainbird @ R&B Motorsport

sorry for all the question better than doing loads of separate thread/topics thought i may as well just ask here all in one go
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Old 14-02-2007, 12:37 AM   #3
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Nice one Paul thanks for the reply

Well if anyone Has any advice on changing the head gasket it will be most appretiated

Pectel ALS board It is then, will this be capable of running the air injectors Paul?

far as the Diamond lights go im about to send mike a PM

Gearbox will be out soon as the new one is here then

thinking about hydraulic clutch conversion again i will ask mike in PM but any one got anything to say good or bad?

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I am about to send you a lengthy reply to your PM, but in the meantime, just to clarify a few points:

The 4-injector Pectel board can EITHER run ALS OR 12 position boost control for the air injectors NOT both. To achieve both, you need the 8-injector board. You can still run the air injectors with ALS, just not the boost pot controller.

ARP's on a Cossie block should be avoided like a 90 year old hooker with herpes .
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Thanks for the reply

So can the 8-injector board run everything? as in 12 point boost, ALS, Air injectors, water injection and only 4 injectors rather than 8?

got the ARP's now mike long studded isnt an option for this engine any other sudgestions?

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So can the 8-injector board run everything? as in 12 point boost, ALS, Air injectors, water injection and only 4 injectors rather than 8?

got the ARP's now mike long studded isnt an option for this engine any other sudgestions?

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Has to run all eight AFAIA - sorry, but yes the 8-injector one does all of that AND DIS (dizzyless) if required !

Yes, throw them in the bin. It is an absolute NECESSITY for the block AND the head to be faced when fitting a metal gasket. Failure to do so WILL result in head-gasket failure! The Cometic ones fail in a few thousand miles even when this IS done, so I wouldn't touch them with yours .
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hi guys, the question now on my lips is " so how much does it cost roughly to get a stage 3 Escos running anti lag".... I know what they say "if u have to ask you cant afford it"
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£375 for the Pectel board (in stock), £65 for your ISCV to be modified, £900 for a Maram shafted T34 (in stock), £150 for a modified throttle body (for additional airflow).

You then need someone who can live map the ECU to suit your required program for Stage III. I only know two people that can do this (with the ALS as well) and that is Ahmed Bayjoo and Paul Hills. Ahmed would be my choice.
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Cheers for that Mike... better get saving

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What whould you recommend instead of ARP studs and nuts on Cossie block to get 36 psi boost?
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What whould you recommend instead of ARP studs and nuts on Cossie block to get 36 psi boost?
The ONLY thing that will keep the head on at that boost is long studs.
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what boost will i be running to get 380 or 400BHP if im lucky with Greys, T34 Rs500cooler Ect ect ect then Mike?

other than long studs whats an allternative to the stud and nout kit i got? standard bolts? if so how much are they and where do you get them from FROD still do them???
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[quote="Mike Rainbird"]£375 for the Pectel board (in stock), £65 for your ISCV to be modified, £900 for a Maram shafted T34 (in stock), £150 for a modified throttle body (for additional airflow).

well so far i got Group A rally car anti lag throttle body and Harvey Gibbs Group A rally car T34 with maram shaft!! Whats £65 for your ISCV to be modified all about?
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what boost will i be running to get 380 or 400BHP if im lucky with Greys, T34 Rs500cooler Ect ect ect then Mike?

other than long studs whats an allternative to the stud and nout kit i got? standard bolts? if so how much are they and where do you get them from FROD still do them???
32psi peak, holding 26psi.

Nothing at this power level.... I really wouldn't recommend anything other than long-studs in all good conscience. At a push, WRC gasket and standard bolts, but the engine STILL has to come out, because for it to seal properly, it is an ABSOLUTE MUST for the block and head to be surface planed and be absolutely flat. Failure to do so WILL result in gasket failure!

You could fit a YBO611 gasket and standard bolts and change the gasket every 6000 miles (before it fails, so you don't need to keep skimming the head). But that is obviously VERY costly unless you can do it yourself....

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£375 for the Pectel board (in stock), £65 for your ISCV to be modified, £900 for a Maram shafted T34 (in stock), £150 for a modified throttle body (for additional airflow).
well so far i got Group A rally car anti lag throttle body and Harvey Gibbs Group A rally car T34 with maram shaft!! Whats £65 for your ISCV to be modified all about?
The "ALS valve" controls the air bypass for the throttle butterfly. Without it, you won't have any ALS....
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Are you serious the engine has to come out to change the head gasket even if the one in it is ok? FUUUUCK! if i have the engine out i may aswell do the whole lot trobble is i cant afford what i want in regards to the whole lot!

All i wanted to do was stick a set of grey injectors in get all the componets for Anti lag I.E. turbo, Ecu, throttle body, rs500 cooler, change the head gasket and have it custom mapped

i just wanted to flote about on 380/400ish Hp untill i was ready/could afford to have a proper engine Built

so whats the damage of getting the head gasket done if i get everything up and running "not mapped tho" take it to a tuner have the head gasket done I.E. have multilayer and standard bolts and then take it to be mapped once this is done? you supplying parts aswell

this rate im not gonna be able to afford to run the bloody thing let alone bow it up
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The cheapest option would be to just fit a YBO611 head gasket with standard bolts. It isn't really up to the job of 380bhp, but it will last a few thousand miles of hard use and maybe nearly 6-7k of mild "occasional" abuse.

However, fitting a METAL headgasket requires both surfaces to be planed flat and there is NO POINT in fitting one, if you aren't going to do this .

You could then get someone like Ahmed to map the EPROM to suit your spec, which will need some ignition / fuelling and boost changes (due to your car still being 8:1). This will give you around 350-360bhp (the limit of the standard compression with a T34). But at least you will have your ALS and a bit of extra fuelling in hand with the greys. If you speak to him nicely, he could even sort out lamda control for good fuel economy as well .
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Isnt a Phone call so much easyer
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The rest of us can't listen in on the phone call can we??? Seen your gone this far with the conversion....
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