kl-mortiss

i have made up my mind to up the power on my 100% standerd T25 cos been given two diffrent prices and two very diffrent opinuions .first price from woodford motorsport and they said i would need a full mongosse KN panel filter up rated fuel pump bigger autator and diffrent plugs. for £580 as i all ready have the mongosse but he said that the small turbos dont like power chips and said i will have nothting but troauble with it as they just dont like them second qoute inter pro same as above but with a new electronic chip and a rolling road sesion £1.180 .so which one do i go for and what sort of power will i see i just want it to be a bit more powerfull

The DIVA

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Speak to Stu@MSD mate,you`ll get an honest opinion of what works and what doesn`t.......

kl-mortiss

who is he and how do i get hold of him

kl-mortiss

redrsmk5

My small Turbo has a collins 305 power chip and ive had 5000 miles + trouble free motoring.

cos im worth it

Hi mate my Small Turbo has a Graham Goode 305 conversion on it and it has been no bother while i've had it.

kl-mortiss

S1rst

Same here. No problems at all.

rapidcossie

junk it all and go big turbo..

i have been in a few 305 bhp small turbo escorts and they aint as impressive as a 305 bhp big turbo

S1rst

In what way mate? Were they both true 305 cars though?

Mr.Ford

IMO a T25 with 305 BHp is MUCH faster then a 305 Bhp T35

And almost no lag

Gatecrasher

He is the owner of this site and http://www.motorsport-developments.co.uk/

you can PM him at Stu @ M Developments on this site

Or call him on 01253 508400

Mike Rainbird

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My GGR 305 conversion made 267bhp on the engine dyno .

M.A.D.RST

Give Stu at msd a call or pm him on here first

Personally i wouldnt bother with anyone or anything else

Unless..........................you want to go for Autronic

Gregs

my stage 1 big turbo, uesd to whoop 305bhp small turbos

go big turbo all day long

S1rst

I think people are assuming that the ggr 305 conversion achieves 305bhp. As mike said, many will be around 260-280 with just the ggr305, but a TRUE 300bhp ST car will be quicker than a TRUE 300bhp BT car. As a few reliable sources on here have stated, a 300bhp ST seems to be the equivelent of a 320-330 ish BT car.

Not saying anyone on here does, but i find it so funny when people think that the T25 is not as quick because it has a smaller turbo.

AJC

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my 230bhp beat my mates 305 converted ST es cos,
my 268bhp stage 1 BT es cos beats it too

IMO, a stage 1 es cos BT is better than 305 ST

hate to sound narky, just sayin what i know,

so.....


Book itin for a full big turbo conversion, approx £3500 (i think)

AJC

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S1rst

the ST has its advantges low down, but i have always found after 4.5k-5k they tail of

BT just keep going

kl-mortiss

i would say theres something wrong with your mates car

AJC

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kl-mortiss

no, just im a good driver

S1rst

Surely theres got to be something wrong with that one then mate. Even standard for standard i believe the t25 is marginally quicker, not that youd really notice.

My peak power is 6000rpm and my torque is at its peak from about 3600-5750. Dont know how this would differ to a 300bhp BT to be honest.

Back on topic though, i personally wouldnt shell out £3500 for a BT conversion on such an original car. Id take it somewhere decent to get a proper 300bhp or close to it.

S1rst

Either that or your mates a bad driver.

AJC

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S1rst

definately me

S1rst

kl-mortiss

sounds like your mates steady eddy at the wheel

AndyBrew

BT escorts feel quicker because the power/torque comes in with such a bang, the ST escort has a flat torque curve hence feels physically slower but I assure you they are not because they have the power available more of the time, so general driving they are much better IMO.

Real world example is my mates 2wd saph cossie RS Lozworth of here and that is a stage 1 on a T3 which I thought was MUCH quicker than my escort, however on a recent jaunt he said he couldn't catch me, so take into account the 4WD tranny losses as well and this proves a point.

You will be very lucky to get 300hp from a small turbo, maybe with a change of cams, for example GGR305 conversions were/are notorious for not achieving the claimed figures, and I think if you speak to any tuner they will tell you 305 would only ever be achievable on a spike, not particular useful.

Having owned both cars I would not assume the BT is the daddy because I found it quite frustrating at times, and genuinely prefer my ST car as it is compared to my Stage 3 BT as it was. Having said that I do want 400hp/400lbs as my Evo was 350 and now I want to go a stage further and that aint gonna happen with the T25

If you are going to chip your ST expect anywhere between 260 and 280 hp I would say, it WILL feel quicker, but you WILL want more

I have the standard airbox still on mine, and the general feedback I have recieved is that this is good enough for 400hp so unless you want the induction noise don't bother.

If you have the zaust then you need a chip, fuel pump and an actuator you don;t say exactly what is being done for the £1,000 but this seems a little high to me, the £500 notes seems about right

kl-mortiss

the £500 notes is with out a chip and rolling road set up thanx for your help

AndyBrew

yes sorry I see that now duh!!!

I think both are pricey mate to be honest, I would go somewhere like TurboSystems or MSD get Fuel pump, actuator and chip for around £500, don't quote me on that though and actually get a power increase

the ST can be a pain in the arse with regards chipping a lot depends on the version for example mines an ANTE which is the worst apparently

AndyBrew

don't place too much emphasis on the rolling road either, a lot of very good tuners don't have one anyway

adamski frst

again i have my old 305 setup for sale ..... superchips chip, fuel pump and fuel reg .....

even have a nice brake upgrade too

not that i am promoting my goods

kl-mortiss

ok what sort of power will i see with just the mongosse pannel filtter fuel pump and plugs and actuator our do i realy need the chip

AndyBrew

you need a tuner mate but i would guess, less than 250 if that because its the chip that controls your fuelling and so forth so even if the car wants to boost higher or breath better you aint gonna reap the benefit as the ECU will think things are going haywire

you need a new chip mate.

adamski frst

IMO just with a exhaust,filter and fuel pump your only going to be looking at about 230-235bhp

as said its the chip, extra boost and uprated T28 thats needed for a strong 300bhp

M.A.D.RST

So, to sum it up.........................all you need to do is get on the phone to Stu at MSD (dont bother with anyone else) and let him know what you want. Basically an uprated exhaust (mines a Blueflame and its lovely) a fuel pump, actuator and chip. Oh and dont bother with a rolling road session As said most tuners, Stu included dont use them

kl-mortiss

but hes in blackpool thats just to much of a long drive i phoned him today and price was about the same as interpro and there only 15 min away

M.A.D.RST

I know the feeling as im in Swindon But i would NEVER put my car on a rolling road

MATCOS

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Why Nick?

Azrael

With changed actuator and standard electronics I see two options - either boost cut or meltdown.

M.A.D.RST

Why would i want some dude ragging my car on a couple of rollers ...................no thanks

kl-mortiss

our you still saleing it mad rst