Tuning a small turbo cossie

[RWD_cossie_wil]

ALMOST DONE

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[ECOS95]

Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil

ALMOST DONE

Great news.

[Mr.Ford]

Originally Posted by ECOS95

Any more updates on this ???

I bet there are lots of ST owners with money burning a hole in their pockets, me included.

[cossymad]

Mine is now running 304bhp with 366lbft.....oh and anti-lag etc, still on small turbo T28.

[cossymad]

....still with air-con and standard intercooler........

[M.A.D.RST]

What you done now then Chris??

[cossymad]

Still got a heat sheild?

New ECU, New injectorsWhich means I have the old ECU and chip for sale.
No boost limit, no rev limit and 300+ proven bhp ECU code is ANTI and I also have a superchips plug in chip for ECU code COSY for sale

[jonny halls]

Originally Posted by PewteRS

Just get a big turbo car to start with

i agree with the above.
hummed and aard for 12 months over small or large turbo escort, went and drove two small t models with ggr 305 chip and exhaust etc and was impressed, then my mates stage 3 large turbo model came up for sale, drove it bought it. not saying that putting a well set up small turbo escort next to mine wouldn't be quicker in a straight line dash, but for me when that big turbo spools up and you get that big kick in the back. gets my vote every time!

[M.A.D.RST]

Yes, its only done 33k and is like new
What ecu are you running now?
What power was the old ecu making?

[K.Goa]

My friend who runs company racefix motorsport in stavanger norway, Fitted LINK ecu to an ST couple of weeks ago, livemapped it on road. Still uses the standard turbo, but it was a really great improvement! specially in midrange and responce, due to better ignition mapping probaly.

[cossymad]

Originally Posted by M.A.D.RST

Yes, its only done 33k and is like new
What ecu are you running now?
What power was the old ecu making?

The old ECU, well I say old, it was brand new from Ford in 2005, was making 303bhp and 287lbft on small T28 turbo with standard injectors. I always had a Magnex on the car, and a Blitz air filter etc etc, and a set of cams. Pre cams the car made 287bhp and 301 lbft....weird!!! I am now using OMEX ecu, with Focus RS injectors, 3 bar map sensor, and standard ICV for the mild anti-lag.

I need a heatsheild for my orange one, but I'll have to see if the standard one will fit, with the bigger turbo and downpipe.....

[Andreas]

Customer of mine got 319hp on rolling road with his ST running EEC-IV and a MSD chip. They ran higher boost than whats recommended. I didnt dare to ask how much.

[zreno]

hello all,

I am new on this forum and I already love it. ( is there any presentation room ?)

I have as well a ST escort and I am impatient to fit her this new chip in order to kick some big turbo Boaster

I have just an interrogation regarding this "new kit" 350BHP and bigger turbo is this feasible keeping the regular cylinder head gasket or a reinforced one is needed .
Same question with the cooler std one or RS500 type one?

[Gatecrasher]

Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments

Small update for you chaps who are interested.

We have pretty much finished the first stage of developing a bolt on stage 2 kit for the ST Escos thanks almost exclusively to Wills very kind loan of his car to us.

The kit will comprise of:

To give you an idea though, here is what you will need on your T28 EsCos.

Parts list:
55lb injectors. Ł300
Cooler plugs. Ł50
Uprated pump. Ł150.
Chip will definately unlikely be anymore than Ł500.

Then you need a:
T34.48 with -34 fitted. (We dont sell the turbo )
LT 4x4 manifold (We dont sell)


It will all literally just plug in, no adjustments to make, just fit these components. Once fitted, the new conversion retains all the EEC IVs adaptive fueling abilities and of course the wasted spark and closed loop fuelling control system it has as std. The bay will look VERY much standard when you are finished.

The system needs some further polishing yet as we have sadly run out of fuel flow on the uprated Walbro ITP 048 fuel pump, which Will is going to pop down and replace early next week so we can push on, but all looks fine so far. At least the turbo is holding up this time.

Oh yes, a small point i missed that you were possibly interested in:
We will likely settle on a 28psi midrange overboost and 24psi held to the limiter on this stage 2 T34 conversion.


When this stage2 conversion is complete, Will and I will talk about rewriting teh software more comprehensively and fitting a bigger MAF, inlet cam, light porting, and some more power.

BTTT For RADMAN

[THE RADMAN]

cheers gatecrasher sounds interesting,.48 exhaust housing should give less lag,sounds like a nice useable conversion as long as it doesnt run out of puff at the top end?

[RWD_cossie_wil]

Originally Posted by THE RADMAN

cheers gatecrasher sounds interesting,.48 exhaust housing should give less lag,sounds like a nice useable conversion as long as it doesnt run out of puff at the top end?

Hi mate,
my car was the one Stu was using, with a T34.48 it was making 25psi @ 2500RPM - Top end was 21psi held,and was making excellent torque and power,estimated to be a solid 350BHP Unfortunatly my headgasket let go,which with the oil mixing took No4 piston with it ( not Stu's fault in anyway, my engine had 100,000 miles on it) so It is currently being rebuilt to try for 440ish bhp on EEC IV . I'm sure if you give MSD a ring they will fill you in on the rest of the details

[THE RADMAN]

25psi at 2.5k sounds great 440 now that sounds interesting,whats the spec going to be? keep us posted

[RWD_cossie_wil]

Spec- (and why it's taken so long to rebuild, it's having a top to bottom overhaul )

Car started out as a 96' N Plate Small turbo, with a 280BHP MSD chip. Then I bolted the T34 onto a std car for Stu's experiment, and the rest of the car was pretty Std bar a Mongoose/ konis etc.

How it is Now/ going to be in a few weeks time:

Engine:

7.4:1 cc'd
WRC long studded decked T25 200 block
0.5 over size Mahle low comp pistons with Valve cut outs
Lightened and Balanced bottom end, ARP bolts throughout.
High pressure oil pump with std T 25 WRC oil spray jets
Big wing gated sump
Cometic 3 layer steel Head gasket
Ported and Polished/ cc'd chambers head 25/26mm ports
New valve guides+ re-cut seats, skimmed flat for metal head gasket
New O.E followers, Std Exhaust cam Brand new from Blank BD14 inlet cam
Vernier pulleys
Every bush gasket and seal replaced with cometic or new item
New water pump
C.R Engineering T38 To MSD specifications
Big turbo/ sapphire 4x4 exhaust manifold (larger collector port)
Injectors- TBC, but currently 55Lbs siemens
Black silicon hoses throughout the engine bay with a re-circulating Dump valve
Collins engine mounts+ gearbox mount
Full Mongoose Stainless steel exhaust
Bosch 023 intank fuel pump
Provisional- Pro Alloy/ R&B development uprated intercooler to retain air conditioning yet massivly improve ACT's ( Car going to Pro Alloy as soon as its ready!)
Spec R header tank with sight glass
Baily 3 port breather
Alloy P.A.S tank
MSD Mapped EEC IV ECU

Drivetrain:

Ford motorsport genuine 909 thickwall front differential with std ratio open diff, Steel sandwich strenthening plate. ( may upgrade to R&B alloy plate)
Bara Motorsport "mullit" fully straight cut MT 75 gearbox with uprated 1st gear and std ratios.
2wd Std Cosworth rear beam ( to be upgraded to Zoo or equivilant when funds allow )with 7.5" Std 2wd Cosworth LSD. 2wd driveshafts.
Reyland twin plate organic clutch with centre push hydrulic conversion

Chassis
18" Rondell 122's with 225 40 R18's with Goodyear Eagle F1's
AP 362x32mm 12 Groove brakes with 6 pot (7040) callipers.
Std Rear Brakes
Braided brake lines
Every suspension bush replaced with Polyeurothene (powerflex)
Front and rear Group A Strut braces
Adjustable TCA's
Bilstien 909 soft tarmac front coilovers (spring rates TBC)
Bilstien 909 Magnesium medium gravel rear coilovers (spring rates TBC)
Std ARB's front and rear
R&B rear toe shim kit

General

Crystal Morrettes (maybe std lights, not sure yet )
Autometer 63mm ultralite -30/+30 A pillar mounted Boost gauge
52mm Auto Meter ultralite oil temp gauge
R&B ACT gauge
Std lux leather interior retaining air conditioning.
Vanillarama yellow magic tree (+15BHP across the range)


Hence my wallet is going "ouch"

BIG THANKS TO: Ian@Racetek , STU@MSD, Matt Lewis Motorsport, Mike Rainbird (R&B), Martin Hadland (Reyland), and my mates who have helped me no end Jamie Lawley (J.Lawley Garages), Big Ste (4x4 ste), Ginger Yates(Altratz), Si Leadbetter (Melzieanne) , Neil (Boost Happy) and everyone else that has taken the piss, helped, laughed at me etc etc

Won't be long now

Can't wait to get it back to MSD for them to play with it

[THE RADMAN]

thats some spec should be superb, ditch the vanilla magic tree though as the pine one is a proven 17bhp

[RWD_cossie_wil]

Engine build is starting next week, finally Can't wait to get the car back again , for some reason a G reg 1.0 fiesta with a 4 speed box just isn't quite the same

[MarkN]

Did this project ever get finished? I've been keeping an eye it for it but it wasn't followed up on.

Were the limits of the small turbo overcome? And if so - what tuning packages can you now buy from MSD and for how much?

Cheers
Mark

[Stu @ M Developments]

Nope. Will never brought the car back.

[RWD_cossie_wil]

Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments

Nope. Will never brought the car back.

As said, almost done now, but keep hitting unexpected obstacles .. As soon as it's ready it's yours.

[Spotmatic]

Any update's allready?

I'm also wondering what kind of upgraded intercooler allows the aircon to stay as i've read in this thread that this is possible!

[ECOS95]

Originally Posted by Spotmatic

Any update's allready?

I'm also wondering what kind of upgraded intercooler allows the aircon to stay as i've read in this thread that this is possible!

Radtec do a rad/cooler combo that enables you to keep the aircon.

[Phil2002]

looking at st escos tomorrow did you ever get 440bhp from the standard managment?
cheers,
Phil

[RWD_cossie_wil]

Hi mate, Still waiting for the head to come back ... Project is still on though

[Phil2002]

fair play mate would love to see it when it's done. are the st ones really that slow standard only the one i'm looking at tomorrow is bog standard.

cheers,
Phil

[rodgres]

anymore news on this ???? how is it going ???

[Stu @ M Developments]

Originally Posted by rodgres

anymore news on this ???? how is it going ???

Great Question. Any News Will?

[RWD_cossie_wil]

Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments

Great Question. Any News Will?

Still waiting for the head .. Been 4 months now, all it needs it it putting back on and the car is ready to go.

[ECOS95]

You have to wait a long time for good head.

[Stu @ M Developments]

Originally Posted by ECOS95

You have to wait a long time for good head.

[rodgres]

well its big turbo way for me now !!! started to by the bit now. . . so no going back now !!! st out . . bt in. . with the rest off the bits . . .

[MarkN]

This thread's been going for three years Its been nigh on two since Will took the car back to sort out. The way this is going I'll have given up driving due to old age before Stu gets this car back to finish.

I have a desperate need for more power lol - and I refuse to fit prehistoric Weber management and a dizzy

Stu - does it need to be Will's car you work on or could it be any ST Escos? In the interests of getting this done I could possibly lend you my car as it would certainly have more fun with you than it's having stuck in my garage. So long as it doesn't blow up that is...

[the youth]

great offer mark, come on stu, you have a queue of st owners wanting to go quicker!!

steve

[RWD_cossie_wil]

Hi guys, apologies for the delay, I finally got my head back! It is now ready to fit, so will be ready to go by the end of September .... As before, it has been a bit of a nightmare as I have had so many problems it is untrue! Hopefully everyone that has been patient will get their reward when Stu finishes this off!

[THE RADMAN]

i hope so or ill be using a bus pass before long

[THE RADMAN]

im going to fit it to this

[ECOS95]

Has the 350BHP conversion be finalised as I know you were looking for more than that now with the new mods.