lukeytheduke

i know theres a couple of knowledgable people on here so here goes.

Planning my new cycle. To kick it of either dianabol or oxymethelone. Any ideas on whats best?

Then simply stack it with a test. My choices are

Tri test 400mg per ml
Equitest 400
Trentest 300

I heard good things about equitest but for first 6weeks just makes u more vascular THEN u start to grow.

Any advice on what goes well is appreciated as i researched on the net but it all contradicts itself.

Cheers

Kieron

Fairly simply:

If you're looking to grow then tri test 400.

If you are fairly lean and want to grow a bit and harden up the equitest.

If you want to grow & cut then trentest.

Look up the extra compound in them to see what they do, i.e. equipoise & tren e. Also look up side effects and recommended doses. Compare to what you are planning on doing. For example if you are going to jab 1ml of trentest pw then the intake of tren at the levels provided in that blend would be pretty pointless.

Personally I would be getting tritest and then adding the extra if thats what I wanted to do, rather than buy one already mixed if you see what I mean. That way you can control doses better and jab at the intervals required for those compounds. That said, you may be better off picking a route (as in bulk or cut etc) and sticking to that first rather than spinning too many plates at once.

Kieron

Oh and as for the kick start it will depend on what you can get. Most Oxys (anadrol) are 50mg and a bit harsh on the kidneys and water retention imho. A lower dose of dianabol would be my preferred choice and all thats required.

Others may disagree though.

lukeytheduke

hi kieron, long time no speak mate. How's your training going. Well i just ordered 10ml of tri test and went for oxy's. My other cycles have always been sus and decca 300. Hoping i'l get some good results. Regarding the oxy's i was going to take 2 every day monday to fri and have weekends off? And i'd inject 1ml twice a week. One on sunday and one on wed??

lukeytheduke

p.s i really wanna try equitest. I heard for first 6weeks it makes u vascular then after that strength and size gains are massive??? 15wk cycle though as it takes a while to kick in

Kieron

Yeah good thanks. Still cutting but not doing any cardio so its a slow process. I also only stick to the diet during the week so weeknds undo some of the work. Gotta have a life though and this is just a hobby for me. Baseline is currently around 105.5Kgs and I have top 4 abs out. Bit more to go but I'm pleased. Not chasing numbers anymore, trying to train sensibly.

What about you??

I always found sus harsh on the shutdown but tbh its the same thing as test. So deca works well with test to, a good tried and tested route.

I'm not sure on your BF levels etc but 800mg of tri will be a nice cruise. Personally any more than that and BP etc are affected. Long half life to it so why not bang in once pw?

For me the oxy route of 100mg pd seems high. Will bloat a bit on that but if you are happy about that then crack on mate. Oral so very short half life iirc so you'd prob be best doing every day. Maybe split the dose down to twice a day or even split tabs and go 4 times? Some will say it's not necessary but it can't hurt to spead the stress on the liver etc. I just find its a headfuck drug (not that I've done it) and by that I mean you blow up with water, feel big (look shit but in your heads it's all good) then drop back down to where you were and then feel like you're tiny and shrunk. I see it as great for short term mass. Long term lean gains there are much better compounds although I do appreciate it is just for front loading purposes in this case.

Kieron

Just buy some equipoise. Control the doses better while running the tritest or even when you come off.

Var also has similar results..

lukeytheduke

cant get hold of equipose mate. Just equitest. My body fat percentage is quite high but its going down due to a strict diet. Im never going to have a six pack and its just a hobby like it is for u so not to bothered. Its strange as this is my 15th week on sus and decca and i've seen gradual gains up untill week 14 and 15 where my whole body has just hardened up. Its a good feeling mate.
I'l have to research more about best way of taking the tabs. I want this course to be quite high strength so see how it goes. Cheers again for your advice and keep loving the cheat day, err i mean cheat weekend

tat2cliff

Hi mate to be honest i would avoid taking oral steriods if you are thinking of doing this long term as they can be harmfull to the kidneys,i used to take deca as a base drug on every coarse then add in sustinon250 as it covers all three main types of testostarone,i would also add in testex or testaviron and sometimes both but beware thar amount of test a'int good for the temper you will also need to take HGC at the start of your coarse also mid way and at the end to combat estragen which in turn causes bitch tit,there are many other good combination but this worked well for me and took me up to a shade under 20 stone. Also remember they gear only works well if your diet is good, increase your protein intake, make sure you get plenty of rest to recover from workouts and dont forget the L-Glutamin,hope this all helps mate and good luck fella lastly if you need any advise on injection sites ect pm me,cliff

lukeytheduke

cheers. I've been on and off cycles for years. And oral steriods are really only effective for 4-6weeks max as your receptors just shut down. Hence why there good for a kick start to a cycle.

Should i take my tabs with food on an empty stomach??

tat2cliff

with food and a glass of orange juice,i was told for years as this help it pass through the kidneys better, could be bullshit but it worked for me, do yourself a big favour and buy a book call the manifestation of mass this is a wicked book it will help with everything also chemical warfare is great for the roids and another called the steroid bible as for the receptor site thing that works for every drug so the kick starting with tabs thing i feel is a bit of a waste of time for what little you get from them unless you take anapalon which is realy hard on the gut, keep up the hard work though mate

lukeytheduke

its a labour of love isnt it mate!

tat2cliff

sure is,i.m getting a bit to old for it now though,stopped trainig last year just after i turned 50,started when i was 14 the old body is fucked now though mate just waiting for an op on my shoulder to re-attach a muscle to the joint but a gess once all is repaired i will be back in the gym as i miss it like hell but at the age of 51 i need to remember my age

lukeytheduke

yer just be carefull of your shoulder but its the most overworked muscle so it will be hard to isolate it for future training.

Im 15weeks into my sus and decca cycle. Finish it on sunday when i start the above, but my body feels so hard and tight at the mo. Im loving it lol. It gives u motivation to carry on eating chicken and rice 5times a day lol. Looking forward to this new cycle.

There's a couple of lads that got shoulder injurys too. Even after op it never gets 100% better. Anyway hope i'l still be training when im your age

tat2cliff

actually injured the shoulder in my doorman days but yer your right mate i could never get that side to grow at the same rate following surgery i have some great bodybuilding recipies which i got hold of a few years ago and they are really good to help with the boring food side of things, i have lent them to a pal of mine but if you want to pm me your address i could copy them and send them on mate,all easy stuff that the wife did'nt mind cooking lol,cliff

lukeytheduke

lol, cheers mate but my diet is governed by my shit cash flow situation at the mo lol!!

tat2cliff

its not an expensive way to eat but it does take a bit of time to make or cook but if you change your mind let me know,good luck anyway mate keep up the good work cliff

Dirty Harry

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Hi mate just one question,if you cant afford to eat correctly how can you afford a course of gear ???
both go hand in hand to get results

stevenebm

iTrader: (6)

You can still grow on a budget.theres a thread somewhere on one of the forums I use and it was bodybuilding through recession and the price of the meals were ridiculously cheap.ofcourse is won't be the best of meat.free range eggs etc but you can definetly do it but if as Pete said you will still have to eat as I'm sure your aware.

On topic tho I grew really well on tri test 400 but gave me high blood pressure.good course tho.im using just test and mast e just now and don't think il ever use anything again as gains have been brilliant.everyone will react different tho so find what works for you mate and stick to it.

StephenC

Stevenbm, I'm currently on test and mast and same here, best cycle I've done. Big jump in size and very little water etc. love it.

stevenebm

iTrader: (6)

Yeh stephen I cant beleave I haven't done this before.harldy any water as you said and hardness is great.long may it continue.

lukeytheduke

I dont see where i said i dont eat properly?! i eat perfect but its only sainsburys value frozen chicken etc, and brown rice. 5 meals a day. Blah blah blah lol

lukeytheduke

test 400 and mast?whats mast?

Dirty Harry

iTrader: (12)

you said

"lol, cheers mate but my diet is governed by my shit cash flow situation at the mo lol!! "

as i said if you cant afford to eat correctly no point wasting money on gear as they both work hand in hand but you jab a away mate and get nowhere

stevenebm

iTrader: (6)

Masternon or mastanan if its the enethate ester tho I'm surprised you don't know what mast is.

lukeytheduke

What the fuck are u on about. Nice to see your still a cunt so i'l just carry on jabbing away eating my cheap chicken instead of taste the difference steak. I cant believe u think u cant grow from cheap meat, i think u need to start thinking before u comment

lukeytheduke

Ok i'l look into it. I've only ever really stuck to the basic well known cycles as they've always worked. I was 17.5stone at 5ft 9 so why change what works

Dirty Harry

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watch your mouth or you will be removed,think before your next outburst,if you cant take constructive comments dont ask any questions

tat2cliff

thats what i like about passion fruit nice and friendly come on guys this is meant to be a site for people sharing a common interest save the digs for the facebook mob

lukeytheduke

This comment has actually made my day

Dirty Harry

iTrader: (12)

well thats good,but dont do it again

JoeE30

2 wrongs don't make a right and as much as the use of the c word isn't on, neither is the return comment from a board mod!

Threats arnt needed IMO

Anyway back to talking about the original topic.... Stick equipoise up ya bum, no really don't bother with it, it makes me an emotional wreck haaaaa