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Trimming up AND building size

Old 11-01-2006, 12:16 PM
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Food for thought

From personal experience - whilst the two are not mutually exclusive trying to do both at the same time will lead to a comprimise on both fronts.

People new to training always have a honeymoon period and can experience sizable change but unfortunately things slow down with time.

Pro Bodybuilders have off seasons where their sole goal is to get bigger, then when it comes to competition will trim down and change their training (lighter, more reps). They don't try and do both at once(not all anyway)

There are varying extremes of how they go about it. Some might only put on an extra 10-20lbs in the off season, but others balloon by 50lbs or more.

The added weight and support around the joints reduces injuries when lifting progressively heavier weights.

This is not meant to be a downer and is more relevant if you are trying to pack on some size(trying to get leaner will restrict your bodies nutrients supply). Don't be afraid of adding some extra bodyweight, you just have to make sure it doesn't run away with you.

Obviously if you are changing diet completely from a high fat one, then I'm sure you are going to see some good change on both fronts.

The moral and point I am getting at is to understand your long term goals and then workout the best way forward. If you are trying to pack on size, then the winter months are a good off season and you can be more relaxed on diet(eat enough but not chicken and rice the whole time ) then come summer its an opportunity to trim down, change the diet slightly, and the training. It ends up being a bit of a 2 steps forward, one step back(strength may drop) but in the long term you will be able to build good quality mucsle. Focus on one at a time.

Sometimes I;m a bugger and get caught in a permenant off-season mode, but I really like my food.
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great tip

its so contradicting what you hear when you are trying to lose weight and build up muscle at the same time.

I've been doing almost 100% weight training last year and while I managed to bulk up a bit I've still got a lot of fat I've not lost. So this year will focus on more cardio and lighter more reps. Along with a suitable diet - no more raw egg protein shakes
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Nice onw paul cheers for the advice.

Im planning on doing another 3-4 months of building
then just adjusting my training towards the end of spring
to a low weight high rep program just to help lose the extra
bit.

Hopefully it will be shirts off in the summer!

Well it would be rude not to
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Paul, im just over 10st and 5"8 and have been trying to put on weight so i can build up, but i cannot get past this weight!! Any tips?
I thought i was eating enough but obviously not Alot of people have told me i need to eat more fat Is this true as im scared to eat fatty food
Old 11-01-2006, 07:53 PM
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M.A.D.RST im in the same position as you mate, been weight training nearly a year and altho i feel alot better/stronger and im eating more and more im still stuck at the same weight
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Before you dive in and starting eating Lard do this quick calc

Bodyweight in lbs (14 lbs to a stone) X 16 = daily calories to maintain weight. Check your daily intake at least matches this. Add 500 cals to make sure you are getting enough.

Also with protein - daily amount(grams) = bodyweight in lbs x 1.5

So for you @ 140lbs

140*16 = 2240cals basic + 500 for weight gain
140*1.5 = 210gms of protein (equivalent of approx 4 tins of tuna)

Check you are at getting near the above figures

If you don't progress you must have a really fast metabolism or are doing loads of activity and may need an additonal 500cals a day. In this case if you are struggling to eat all this try some meal replacement shakes in between meals or a decent weightgain formula will help(helps with protein intake too)

Hope this helps
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Competing


off season


Yes it is the same person! but he's only 5' 4"
Old 11-01-2006, 09:25 PM
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paul, those pics are actually quite scary
Old 11-01-2006, 10:18 PM
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Old 12-01-2006, 12:13 AM
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ahhhh so i have been off season for the last 5 years lol
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Originally Posted by fords4fun
ahhhh so i have been off season for the last 5 years lol
Don't worry, I've been off season for 13 years

I diet strictly for a month and change my routine, prove to myself that I can do it and go back to off season mode
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Originally Posted by Chrissy_bwoy
Paul, those pics are actually quite scary
Absolutely, the guys name is lee priest, he's an aussie and is one the pro's who takes off-season to the extreme. His off season diet consists of a lot of macdonalds apparently.

However, I would hate to see how much effort AND drugs go into getting him into competition shape.

To really see how big these guys are, take a look at the size of their wrists and then see how much everything balloons out - Unbelievably massive! especially true of lee priest because he is short and has short limbs. Arms are phenomenal
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Thanks Paul

Just had a look at some of the food im eating and not all of it has the calories listed Whats the best way to know or find out? I would like to make sure i do it correctly, as i thought i was eating loads
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Theres a fair few calorie counters on line, or you can pick up a good book from amazon or any other good book shop
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Found this too of the same guy

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Ignoring him, why can't we have gyms like that in every town
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Yeah, that looks amazing!! Also, cant believe the fat on that other chap, its almost impossible to believe its the same fella!!
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Originally Posted by Paul Eggleton
Found this too of the same guy

How long does he take to cut then...12weeks ?? !....Christ,,,,that is extream bulking I think ...........
................. Burger king anyone

Nice find Paul, and that Gym is awsome. where is it? States.
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Yes in the states. I think a lot of them diet for even longer now circa 16weeks!
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Fair play though,,,A' Paul
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Totally impressive, when you see these guys in the flesh it blows your mind. I saw Dorian off season at british contest. He was frightening

Also went to an Ian Harrison seminar at a gym watching him train arms, again he was pretty big
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