start my first cycle in years in 2weeks time!
02-06-2012, 07:23 AM
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start my first cycle in years in 2weeks time!
last time i tried a cycle of just sus i went from 13st to 17.5stone, im only 5ft 9 so looked dangerously big, obviously it wasnt all jean muscle gains.
I just got some sus 250 and a strong deca 300mg/ml
The deca is stronger than most and thick and hard to inject so im really looking forward to getting big again, just in time for the summer
I got 10ml of each, so i was thinking of doing 2ml of each once a week. Say one on sunday, other on thurs?
It will only last 5weeks though but get them at cost price so dont have to worry about the finance side of it. Any opinions on my proposed cycle plan?
I just got some sus 250 and a strong deca 300mg/ml
The deca is stronger than most and thick and hard to inject so im really looking forward to getting big again, just in time for the summer
I got 10ml of each, so i was thinking of doing 2ml of each once a week. Say one on sunday, other on thurs?
It will only last 5weeks though but get them at cost price so dont have to worry about the finance side of it. Any opinions on my proposed cycle plan?
03-06-2012, 02:23 PM
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Can u suggest a good cycle as i researched the whole price list of what i can get. Cheers
03-06-2012, 03:52 PM
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sus and deca is with out doubt the most used steroids and with out doubt the most misused. sus is more suited to the advanced user. beginners use it through lack of knowledge and the lack of knowledge of the one supplying it them. the deca is fine but you would be better swapping the sus for cyp or enanthate depending how you react to them. but again i would recommend not taking them
03-06-2012, 05:12 PM
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last time i tried a cycle of just sus i went from 13st to 17.5stone, im only 5ft 9 so looked dangerously big, obviously it wasnt all jean muscle gains.
I just got some sus 250 and a strong deca 300mg/ml
The deca is stronger than most and thick and hard to inject so im really looking forward to getting big again, just in time for the summer
I got 10ml of each, so i was thinking of doing 2ml of each once a week. Say one on sunday, other on thurs?
It will only last 5weeks though but get them at cost price so dont have to worry about the finance side of it. Any opinions on my proposed cycle plan?
I just got some sus 250 and a strong deca 300mg/ml
The deca is stronger than most and thick and hard to inject so im really looking forward to getting big again, just in time for the summer
I got 10ml of each, so i was thinking of doing 2ml of each once a week. Say one on sunday, other on thurs?
It will only last 5weeks though but get them at cost price so dont have to worry about the finance side of it. Any opinions on my proposed cycle plan?
run the suss at 1ml every 4 days to see how you get on with it,I wouldnt bother with decca as the suss has decca in it so you may overload on it,if your going to run decca just use 1mm every 7 days,again to see how you feel
you need to run for at least 10 weeks,and drop the decca at 8 weeks,have your PCT meds at hand also in case of gyno.
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04-06-2012, 03:07 AM
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Right I'm slightly worried about the advice given here! Sus doesn't have any Decca what so ever! You normally find that u will get tri-sus250 which is 3 types of testosterone Esther's, you should be taking roughly half the amount of Decca to the amount of Sus , (for example 500mg Sus per week to 250/300mg Decca per week otherwise There is high chance u will suffer in the bedroom dept! Sus is a good compound for a begginner and will give you good gains on its own without the Decca! Have a good research before you pin anything mate as its your body!
04-06-2012, 01:51 PM
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there is no such thing as tri sus. also you can inject it as much or as little as you like but for optimum results you should be injecting every 2nd day 3rd day at a push as the active life of prop is 2 days other wise you will be getting peaks and dipps in testosterone levels. cyp or enanthate is a far better choice and can be injected once a week even once every two weeks and will still maintain a steady test level.
04-06-2012, 02:11 PM
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there is no such thing as tri sus. also you can inject it as much or as little as you like but for optimum results you should be injecting every 2nd day 3rd day at a push as the active life of prop is 2 days other wise you will be getting peaks and dipps in testosterone levels. cyp or enanthate is a far better choice and can be injected once a week even once every two weeks and will still maintain a steady test level.
04-06-2012, 02:42 PM
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defo wrong forum for advice on this pal, youve already done a cycle so your no newbie to it. The advice from above that I would take note of is keeping the deca lower (approx half) the test / sust base you will be running. Deca dick is not fun. Also, id run for 10-12 weeks.
04-06-2012, 02:48 PM
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Sus was originally created for doctors to inject patients every 2weeks rather then every other day, this is because the different test Esther's release at different rates and will release upto 2 weeks before another jab is needed! Look at the guys that run TRT. Pro-chem make tri-sus 250
04-06-2012, 02:50 PM
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2 seconds on muscletalk brings up all the info youll ever need and more
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The final injectable testosterone option is actually a blend of esters, all contained in the same preparation. The most common of these testosterone blends include Sustanon and Omnadren, manufactured by Organon and Jelfa respectively. For example, Sustanon 250 contains the following in each 1ml ampoule:
30mg Testosterone Propionate
60mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate
60mg Testosterone Isocaproate
100mg Testosterone Decanoate
This type of steroid is often medically given to patients who opt for injectable testosterone therapy to treat their hypogonadism. It is favoured within the medical community for this purpose due to the fact that the blend of esters facilitates a much more uniform release and metabolism of the testosterone which in turn negates the need for frequent injections. This feature is apparent from the fact that some patients receive their injections as infrequently as fortnightly. Clearly, this form of testosterone is highly valued in the bodybuilding community, particularly by users who wish to limit injections and inject on a weekly basis.
It is thought by some that by avoiding a frequent administration schedule (such as every second day), a user will in some way 'waste' the benefit of the short prop and phenylprop esters. How they arrive at this conclusion is anyone's guess! The short esters are metabolised and utilised by the body regardless of the frequency of administration and to suggest that they somehow disappear into thin air is ludicrous. The nature of the ester blend is designed in such as way that the average rate of ester release is relatively uniform, not too dissimilar in essence to that of a single ester of enanthate or cypionate. In view of this, the use of Sustanon/Omnadren is interchangeable with enanthate/cypionate when constructing cycles.
Novice users will often ask which of the long esterified testosterones is the best. The short answer is that they are as good as each other, the only real differences occurring due to poor manufacturing processes by certain labs which may affect the actual amount of steroid contained resulting in an under/overdosed product. Other factors that may give a user the perception that one type is better might have been a better diet or training routine which may have led to a better result than previously experienced from another type of ester.
30mg Testosterone Propionate
60mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate
60mg Testosterone Isocaproate
100mg Testosterone Decanoate
This type of steroid is often medically given to patients who opt for injectable testosterone therapy to treat their hypogonadism. It is favoured within the medical community for this purpose due to the fact that the blend of esters facilitates a much more uniform release and metabolism of the testosterone which in turn negates the need for frequent injections. This feature is apparent from the fact that some patients receive their injections as infrequently as fortnightly. Clearly, this form of testosterone is highly valued in the bodybuilding community, particularly by users who wish to limit injections and inject on a weekly basis.
It is thought by some that by avoiding a frequent administration schedule (such as every second day), a user will in some way 'waste' the benefit of the short prop and phenylprop esters. How they arrive at this conclusion is anyone's guess! The short esters are metabolised and utilised by the body regardless of the frequency of administration and to suggest that they somehow disappear into thin air is ludicrous. The nature of the ester blend is designed in such as way that the average rate of ester release is relatively uniform, not too dissimilar in essence to that of a single ester of enanthate or cypionate. In view of this, the use of Sustanon/Omnadren is interchangeable with enanthate/cypionate when constructing cycles.
Novice users will often ask which of the long esterified testosterones is the best. The short answer is that they are as good as each other, the only real differences occurring due to poor manufacturing processes by certain labs which may affect the actual amount of steroid contained resulting in an under/overdosed product. Other factors that may give a user the perception that one type is better might have been a better diet or training routine which may have led to a better result than previously experienced from another type of ester.
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04-06-2012, 05:49 PM
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if i put a vw badge on a cosworth does that mean i have a vw cosworth lol.
sus comprises of 4 compounds if it doesn't have those 4 compounds in its not sus. what tri sus is without bothering to google it is a test blend comprising of 3 diffident tests some undeground lab has knocked up and lacking imagination called it tri sus they should of called it tri test or something lol. ive still give the best advise dont take it
sus comprises of 4 compounds if it doesn't have those 4 compounds in its not sus. what tri sus is without bothering to google it is a test blend comprising of 3 diffident tests some undeground lab has knocked up and lacking imagination called it tri sus they should of called it tri test or something lol. ive still give the best advise dont take it
05-06-2012, 06:47 PM
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Yes u should be fine with that, just have a read up on pct tho mate before you start! There is a good explanation on www.ukmuscle.co.uk
05-06-2012, 09:52 PM
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havent ever tried any of the above compounds so cant comment sorry.usually just stick to simple test cycles with orals thrown in.pct wise people will say dont do anything and people will say you need it.from personal experience i defo need it.have never had blood work done but what has worked best for me to get the nads back down and morning wood again is the following.oh and defo dont just do 5 weeks.total waste of time.ten atleast.
1500 iu's HCG every fourth day for 6 shots
100mg clomid for ten days.
40mg nolva for two weeks
50mg proviron for two weeks
1500 iu's HCG every fourth day for 6 shots
100mg clomid for ten days.
40mg nolva for two weeks
50mg proviron for two weeks
28-07-2012, 02:14 AM
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decca to sus ratio is wrong, to much decca to not enough sus
i run sus at 750mg pw with only 300mg of decca and just about dont get shut down
your nuts will take a beating with that cycle
i run sus at 750mg pw with only 300mg of decca and just about dont get shut down
your nuts will take a beating with that cycle
28-07-2012, 05:09 PM
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Bro science at it's finest. And how do you nearly get shutdown? You have bloods done to prove it? Just to add, I've done test @800mg and deca @600mg and had no issues down there at all.
28-07-2012, 07:20 PM
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so whats your point?
when i done my reserch before i touched deca, every where stated that gerneral rule of thumb is 1.5 to 2 x test to deca ratio
every 1s body is diffrent, i never have had any gyno symptoms on even the most prone of cycles, yet others get it from a low oral only,
by me saying i just about not get shut down, is at the ratio i run, i feel the general nut ach, loss of libedo and nuts start to shrink ( all slightly, so in my opinion for myself any more would shut me down.)
no i have never had bloods on cycle but do after a few months since pct to check recovery
28-07-2012, 09:25 PM
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Not been an arse mate, just saying as soon as you start on the test your natural production will stop pretty sharpish so shutdown is pretty much inevitable (unless you go the HCG, clomid route). By replacing the bodies measily circa 40mg/week natural production with 600-800 you shouldnt have to even think about loss of libido, it should be through the rough. And generally people are now starting to say that deca can be run at pretty high doses as long as this test base is in place.
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